It sounds like you are tired and stressed out and puppy is probably feeling the same way. I feel for you, we have all lived (and survived) through those puppy days. How many times a day do you feed him? Does he exercise about 2 hours later to help him eliminate? Do you exercise him again just before bed time? He hasn't been on a raw diet that long, so maybe his system is still getting use to it. Did he have loose stools when he was on kibble? I have never fed raw, so maybe someone else on this forum can give you more info on feeding puppies a raw diet. JMO but I think it is more a diet and exercise problem.

Sandy

 Quote: Christi Collett

Last night I put a divider in my crate, I think it realy did some good. I took him out about every 2 hours. He did realy goog. I took him out at 3:45 and than he woke me up at 5:30 with very runny poop all over. I'm so sick of this. I got up so many times. I realy tried hard. And he pooped when I took him earlyer, and I gave him his dinner at 4:00 the day berfor so why dose he poop so much and why was it so loos? ( he's been haveing loos stools for about a week now). I read Ed's eBook on puppies having loolse potty. My pup has the pudding kind. The eBook said that was from, stress, food chang or feeding to much. I realy don't think I'm feeding him to much. I did chang his food from kibble to raw over a week ago and I don't know what stress his could be dealing with but this crate thing. Can some one help me. I'm realy trying and I realy do want this to work, I'm just lost and overwhelmed.

Exactly what food is he getting? Something likely needs a change in the new diet.

The poor pup ... he knows that you are stressed and unhappy and there is nothing he can do.

Anyway.... we can get the diet ironed out, and you also probably want to drop off a fecal if you can't resolve it within a day or so.

So tell us what and how much you are feeding.

And this is NOT forever.

If you're as upset and angry as you say you are, there's definite possibility that the pup is very stressed, which will definitely lead to diarrhea. I want to emphasize that the pup does NOT know what he's doing wrong. Pups don't know anything at that age, wrong OR right. So first thing is calm down and make sure you're not getting upset at the puppy.

He also needs to be checked by a vet and a fecal sample taken in when you go. He might be sick or might be allergic to something you're feeding.

Edited to add: it's important to make sure you take the puppy out immediately after eating or drinking water so he can relieve himself. Keep him out there with you for at least 10-15 minutes to give him a chance to eliminate. Walking him around helps a lot.

Edited by Sandy Moore (02/10/2008 02:04 PM)
Edit reason: additional thought

Christi,

Relax , take a deep breath , count to ten (or 100 if needed) and know that we are here to help you and that YOU can do this.

It is really hard not to get frustrated and feel like your going backwards and not forwards with puppies (dogs too) at times. It is really pretty normal, but you need to do it away from the pup because they really will feed on your frustration and get upset and stressed too.

They seem to challenge us in ways that we never knew we could be challenged. As with toddlers who are going through potty training, your pup is at a stage where he still may not be linking potty to outside. Or he may have a bug, or it may be that the raw diet is too rich for him and you need to find something raw that is easier on his little tummy and will help him transition better.

So, I am asking all the questions already asked AND one more...have you vaccinated this little guy recently?

Thanks so much for getting back so soon. You don't know how much this helps. No he was not having runny stools when he was on kibble. I did not know that I should take him potty that soon after feeding but it sounds good so I'm going do it. I also did not think of exerising him right befor bed but it makes lots of sense so I'm going to do that to.

I'm feeding him mostly chicken RMB's (wings),beef liver, a little ground beef, some peas and some carrots (very little veg's).

I'm feeding him:

Breakfast:
1 chicken wing
2 table spoons liver

Lunch:
1/4 cup liver
2 table spoons carrots

Dinner:
1/2 cup ground beef
1/4 cup peas

This menu changes some times depending on whats in my freezer. but for the most part the portions don't. PLEASE tell my what I need to change for the best of my puppie.

WAY too much liver.

Organ meat should be 5 to 10% of the entire diet. This is more like a third to a half.

So what I'd do is stop the liver completely for right now, and spread the RMBs out over the meals so there is no muscle-meat-only meal. (I would also reconsider chicken wings, which are fatty and not very meaty. Can you get backs?)

Then when the poops are normal, I would reintroduce the liver very gradually, a teaspoon at a time, and stop at 5 to 10% of the diet.

 Quote: Christi Collett

I'm feeding him:

Breakfast:
1 chicken wing
2 table spoons liver

Lunch:
1/4 cup liver
2 table spoons carrots

Dinner:
1/2 cup ground beef
1/4 cup peas

This menu changes some times depending on whats in my freezer. but for the most part the portions don't. PLEASE tell my what I need to change for the best of my puppie.

Connie is way better at this but:

I would try to go with chicken backs or necks if you can find them, or even some breast with the bone/cartalidge (sp). Remember to remove some of the fat or most of it. This can cause upset tummy if they get too much at once starting out.

I would also ease up on the organ meat. That sounds like an awful lot for such a young pup and it can/will cause stool changes.

I would add a bit of plain live cultured yogurt and canned pumpkin (not pie filling) to help him with digestion (yogurt) and to help firm up his stool (pumpkin). Just a tablespoon of each to start with.

I would also ease up on the veggies, or at least go with some leafy greens. Boiled sweet potato a few times a week would be okay. But I would stop them all together for now and add them in later.

All things in moderation and once he is eating and his stools are back to normal, you can add one thing at a time to learn what he tolerates and what he does not.

I started out just with raw chicken and added one thing at a time, this way I know what each dog can eat, what gives them gas, what they do not like, and what makes them get the runs.
I kept a log for a long time since I have 6 dogs and needed to keep track.

Like I said, Connie is way better at diet, so I just mentioned what I would change. I will let her talk about supplements.

I'd skip the peas and carrots or reduce the portion quite a bit, too, because they are so sweet. Sugar contributes to a diarrhea cycle.

Instead, I'd probably get a couple of jars of baby food green beans for this trial period while you are getting his poops back to normal. (Or you could buy frozen green beans and moosh them up. Frozen vegetables are partly cooked. I say green beans only because they are very easy to get and easy to moosh up.)


P.S. Carol posted while I was typing.

 Quote: Carol Boche

I started out just with raw chicken and added one thing at a time, this way I know what each dog can eat, what gives them gas, what they do not like, and what makes them get the runs.

Actually, that's even better.

And when his poops are normal, you'll want to start salmon oil and vitamin E.