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#16581 - 02/21/2002 07:02 PM |
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VanCamp,
One argument about using a ball is that you have to give it up to reward. With food you can reward and keep going. Even better if the dog can catch a hot dog you spit at them.
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Re: "Unstable" stand, down or sit
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#16582 - 02/21/2002 07:56 PM |
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I trained with food. My dog is a prey hound and whenever I would try using the ball he would just go nuts and not even pay attention to anything, no commands or anything. He was just so focused on possessing that thing.
Eventually you will have to work in corrections into your routine. I trained my dog using positive enforcement and food but he got to a point where he would not down. My trainer showed me how step on his leash to make him go down. Only had to do that a few times, he got the hint real fast.
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Re: "Unstable" stand, down or sit
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#16583 - 02/21/2002 07:59 PM |
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Just thought of something too.....are you using a release word after your obedience commands? My dog won't move even after he gets the food unless I tell him "free". The way I trained that was from little on, as soon as he would go into the position, I would say good boy, feed and release immediately, kind of simultaneously as you feed, before he has a chance to move himself. As he got older I spaced out the release command. It just clicked for him. He made that association really fast.
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Re: "Unstable" stand, down or sit
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#16584 - 02/21/2002 08:05 PM |
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Vancamp your killin' me brother. I was just the opposite. I was willing to re-consider on the corrections after re-reading the first post. It was the second post that made me stick to my original thought.
Five against one here. I stand firm though. Either that or it's that nasty streak of stubbornness that I tend to display from time to time!LOL
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Re: "Unstable" stand, down or sit
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#16585 - 02/22/2002 02:37 PM |
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Thank you guys. I have one more thought on this: can this be that he is just a slowpock? Though he moves perfectly, he is a little bit slow in doing those commands, may be I should be more stricter with him - I just do not want to scare the dog as already noticed that he is a little bit scared of my hand. Also, another question. He is really good with "place" command, but when in "place" I cannot work with him on sit, stand, down if I am on the distance of more than 5-6 steps. How can I make him to do it from the distance?
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Re: "Unstable" stand, down or sit
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#16586 - 02/22/2002 04:13 PM |
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How can I make him do it from a distance?
OK Vancamp.....now what!?LOL <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: "Unstable" stand, down or sit
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#16587 - 02/22/2002 05:35 PM |
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I think if everyone re-reads the original post they will find the dog is only 8 months old.
Maybe the training has moved too quickly and the dog has been allowed or taught that 'down' means crawl a couple steps and then lay down.
I would go back to basics and prevent the dog from doing this with a leash and collar and reward with whatever the dog likes for a correct position. (By prevent, I don't necessarily mean give a correction.)
I just read the second post from vagabund and am now convinced that this dog is being rushed. IMO, no 8 month old puppy should be worked at a distance if the positions (sit, down, stand) are not stable in the first place. Especially since he seems stressed or nervous. (scared of owners hands) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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Re: "Unstable" stand, down or sit
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#16588 - 02/22/2002 06:30 PM |
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Originally posted by Cindy Easton:
IMO, no 8 month old puppy should be worked at a distance if the positions (sit, down, stand) are not stable in the first place. Especially since he seems stressed or nervous. (scared of owners hands) Whether any of us can agree on corrections or not, this does make a lot of sense. Nice catch.
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Re: "Unstable" stand, down or sit
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#16589 - 02/22/2002 08:13 PM |
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Sweet deal, nice Work Ms. "Easton".
I saw that too, really I did, I'm not BSing, I dont' ever lie. . . :rolleyes:
Sorry Chuckie, usually I'm Captain Correction but not with this one. Me thinks that the dog should be slowed down a little. I did say that above. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: "Unstable" stand, down or sit
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#16590 - 02/23/2002 11:06 PM |
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Good advise. May be I am rushing him too much really, I just thought that the time was not working in our favour, so we are coming back to basics - I will try to switch to ball instead of food. So for now "no long distance training". Today I have encountered one more problem. We had guests today, and my guy was comperatively good with them at the entrancef - few barks at the door, but then he settled down. But as soon in few hours smbd had to go to the washroom, he started to do this again - each time he would follow and bark and I had to shoo him away. What is this - insecurity in him or his is recollecting that there is a stranger in the house. What is a best way to teach him that guests are guests and should not be barked or growled at if they are moving around?
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