Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005
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I dont really see poor obedience as being dumb. I see it as being stubborn and lacking in drive.
Not to say theres no dumb dogs out there...... but usually when people complain that their dog is dumb, the dog is either not driven enough for any kind of motivational OB, or they are being too hard on a very soft dog who is in a permanent state of shutting down, so just kinda stands there acting like a dork instead of listening.
Are there breeds out there that are stubborn, low drive and soft as a general trait? Absolutely.
Are there dumb dogs out there? Seen a few of those too :p But usually its the former, coupled with a handler that doesnt have a clue.
Really?? That is interesting to hear Steve. I did an internet search for English Bulldogs and comp obd and coulnd't find anything. So the Bulldog you saw, was it say like on a CGC level?
steve strom Webboard User Reg: 03-17-2006
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Yeah, easily. It was heeling head up, sit, down, come, all in a huge crowd at the big dog show at the Cowpalace.
Here's a link to list from that book. List
HAHAHAHAHA....they are so wrong....my hound gets his commands in less than 80 repetitions (using FOOD), so he does not deserve to be in the LAST place.
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I always tell clients that complain about their dumb dogs to give be a Border Collie and a Bloodhound. If we go to the agility field I'll make that Bloodhound look like the dumbest thing on four legs. If we go out to the tracking field I can have the Bloodhound look like a champ and the BC look like he's got rocks in his head. An exaggeration I know but it makes the point that dogs are good at what they were bred for. Herding and hunting dogs typically had to work hand in hand with people and so they had to pick up on cues faster.
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005
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Quote: Benjamin Colbert
I always tell clients that complain about their dumb dogs to give be a Border Collie and a Bloodhound. If we go to the agility field I'll make that Bloodhound look like the dumbest thing on four legs. If we go out to the tracking field I can have the Bloodhound look like a champ and the BC look like he's got rocks in his head. An exaggeration I know but it makes the point that dogs are good at what they were bred for. Herding and hunting dogs typically had to work hand in hand with people and so they had to pick up on cues faster.
Ya know Benjamin.....I absolutely agree with the above statement.
My hound will climb the small disaster pile I have to find people hidden there, but it ain't pretty......
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Sandy Moore Webboard User Reg: 07-25-2006
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I agree with Mike (so what else is new ).
As for that list that was posted, sounds bogus to me, since no breed was mentioned twice in the categories, such as GSD being in top intelligent list but not being in working dog list. Same with other dog breeds not being mentioned twice. You can't break down a breed of dog into just one of the categories mentioned. It doesn't fit.
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