Sarah Morris wrote 03/10/2008 04:33 PM Re: corrections- does a dog ever outgrow them? [Re: steve strom ] #185205 - 03/10/2008 04:33 PM
Sarah Morris Webboard User Reg: 08-29-2006 Posts: 2324 Loc: Central Coast, California Offline	Quote: steve strom Hey Sharon, you may surprise yourself at how much you accomplish with what you learn from those Dvd's. I so completely agree with this. And the great thing about training your dog alone is your dog's focus is on YOU. Not on other dogs or other people. It builds such a great bond and I can't see any class doing the same. True
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Carolyn Pike Roman wrote 03/10/2008 04:42 PM Re: corrections- does a dog ever outgrow them? [Re: Sarah Morris ] #185206 - 03/10/2008 04:42 PM
Carolyn Pike Roman Webboard User Reg: 03-20-2007 Posts: 559 Loc: San Antonio, TX Offline	Thanks for all of the support you guys! How about my other question though-- is it possible to get to the point where you never give another leash correction (leaving out verbal for now)? Like... anybody with a 12 yr old dog or something who has just outgrown the need? Or does that theoretically mean they've stopped learning new things, and so the need doesn't exist? Just curious, thanks
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Connie Sutherland wrote 03/10/2008 04:43 PM Re: corrections- does a dog ever outgrow them? [Re: Nora Ferrell ] #185207 - 03/10/2008 04:43 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Local chapters (and the HSUS main site) talk about chokes and chains as being inhumane. A current HSUS spokesperson has also spoken out against e-collars. But I have not seen a statement that the HSUS has a blanket objection to prong collars. I have read only that they caution against a training class that "requires" that the dog wear one, and that they don't recommend the prong as a tool against aggression, because it can increase aggression. Anyway, that's what I've seen online.
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Alex Corral wrote 03/10/2008 04:47 PM Re: corrections- does a dog ever outgrow them? [Re: Carolyn Pike Roman ] #185209 - 03/10/2008 04:47 PM
Alex Corral Webboard User Reg: 02-23-2007 Posts: 1102 Loc: Denver, CO Offline	Quote: Carolyn Pike Thanks for all of the support you guys! How about my other question though-- is it possible to get to the point where you never give another leash correction (leaving out verbal for now)? Like... anybody with a 12 yr old dog or something who has just outgrown the need? Or does that theoretically mean they've stopped learning new things, and so the need doesn't exist? Just curious, thanks Carolyn, I think that a dog may need leash corrections it's whole life. They are a living, breathing thing and prone to make mistakes.
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Carol Boche wrote 03/10/2008 04:54 PM Re: corrections- does a dog ever outgrow them? [Re: Alex Corral ] #185210 - 03/10/2008 04:54 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Quote: alex corral  Quote: carolyn pike Thanks for all of the support you guys! How about my other question though-- is it possible to get to the point where you never give another leash correction (leaving out verbal for now)? Like... anybody with a 12 yr old dog or something who has just outgrown the need? Or does that theoretically mean they've stopped learning new things, and so the need doesn't exist? Just curious, thanks Carolyn, I think that a dog may need leash corrections it's whole life. They are a living, breathing thing and prone to make mistakes. I think that there will be behaviors that the dog needs to be corrected for occasionally, however, I believe that it depends on the dog what needs more "reminders" than others. With my older dogs, just a "uh uh" is enough now, with very few if any leash corrections. So, in some ways, yes the dog may outgrow some and may not outgrow others. I think drive, temperament, training consistency and handler play a big part. Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Lindsay Janes wrote 03/10/2008 05:02 PM Re: corrections- does a dog ever outgrow them? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #185211 - 03/10/2008 05:02 PM
Lindsay Janes Webboard User Reg: 10-24-2005 Posts: 749 Loc: Tucson, Az Offline	Quote: connie sutherland Local chapters (and the HSUS main site) talk about chokes and chains as being inhumane. A current HSUS spokesperson has also spoken out against e-collars. But I have not seen a statement that the HSUS has a blanket objection to prong collars. I have read only that they caution against a training class that "requires" that the dog wear one, and that they don't recommend the prong as a tool against aggression, because it can increase aggression. Maybe it is because they get to see bunch of e collar abuse cases? Some people don't know how to use it properly just like prong collar or other collars. I remember a woman who said that she was a dog trainer from Chicago used ecollar on dogs' groin. HUH!This is not where we are supposed to put. And some idiots don't know how to use e collar properly would use the highest intensivity to correct behavior rather than lower. They don't use verbal correction with the ecollar, and just switch a button whenever a dog behaves wrong. "It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"
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Carolyn Pike Roman wrote 03/10/2008 05:06 PM Re: corrections- does a dog ever outgrow them? [Re: Carol Boche ] #185214 - 03/10/2008 05:06 PM
Carolyn Pike Roman Webboard User Reg: 03-20-2007 Posts: 559 Loc: San Antonio, TX Offline	That's kind of what I guessed; It was just such an interesting statement when I looked at it that way... to that think a dog wouldn't need any corrections period if it were trained "correctly". I wonder what dogs exist that never have to be corrected, lol. I want one Thanks again-
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Elaine Haynes wrote 03/10/2008 06:00 PM Re: corrections- does a dog ever outgrow them? [Re: Carolyn Pike Roman ] #185216 - 03/10/2008 06:00 PM
Elaine Haynes Webboard User Reg: 08-16-2005 Posts: 1221 Loc: Offline	I think that might be that Japanese robot dog. "A dog wags his tail with his heart." Max Buxbaum
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Carol Boche wrote 03/10/2008 06:02 PM Re: corrections- does a dog ever outgrow them? [Re: Carolyn Pike Roman ] #185218 - 03/10/2008 06:02 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Quote: Carolyn Pike I wonder what dogs exist that never have to be corrected, lol. I want one Pick one of mine, they are all perfect.....HAHAHAHAHAHA...(just lump me in with trying to sell a Homeland Security Disaster Dog) Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Mary Velazquez wrote 03/10/2008 06:21 PM Re: corrections- does a dog ever outgrow them? [Re: Carol Boche ] #185220 - 03/10/2008 06:21 PM
Mary Velazquez Webboard User Reg: 12-24-2007 Posts: 575 Loc: Texas Offline	I think that dogs will probably need corrections their whole life; though some dogs will need very few. One of my dogs (Lady) is not that old but "no" would be a strong correction, A look or "mmm" does it for her. thats after years of the same person handling her and she knows all the limits and has never challenged me so I know its partly her temperment. But I think that when the dog gets older, and been in the same family for a long time, the less frequent corrections have more weight just because they are less frequent. One of my rules for training is "always praise three times as much as you reprimand" (and sometimes its hard with new dogs, they do so many naughty things :wink:...) which makes them sensitive. I think of it like horses that have "soft mouths". :smile:
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