Hi

well my dog went into pp training like it started with a rag then progressed to a bite sleeve to full bite sleeves ,on field wow the dog is really ferocious when called upon it bites with intensity,but yes at home it is quite friendly with people.and yes i want it to be a bit more aloof to people,how do we do that?how do we define good temperament?is it a plus for a pp dog?or its a weakness?

If I wanted a true PPD I would select a severely dominant and very antisocial dog and control the dog through good training to not bite everyone it sees. Not practical for a family situation, the dog doesn't double very well as a family pet.

Do a search on this forum, this topic has been covered extensively. A dog biting on a sleeve in a field is very different to a dog being a protection dog.

Hi

thanks for your informative and much sought advices,well i guess that is where the hard to find thing comes in,i guess maybe looking for a pp dog over a dog which is only for sport would seem harder to find.But the thing is ,there is always a thin line between a dog who has got thin nerves and a dog which is anti social,now that is when bein subjective comes in.On a second note since my dog has good temperament and ,yes we have him bite the bodysuit already and made scenarios in the field,is there a way i can make him more aloof to strangers?or a bit more anti social?since it has been proven that he has fight drive already,passed the stick,and then the whip.Just maybe he can be a better guard dog.What advice can you give me ?with the criterias mentioned bein considered

We had a PP dog at our barn growing up. He was very friendly until either given the watch signal or he himself preceived a threat.

He was a love bug to all us kids. He is where I got my love of the breed and now finally have one.

Im not sure there is a way to make a dog more aloof. On the other hand, if the dog knows when to percieve a threat and has already proven that he knows how to protect and will, then maybe its a case of the dog that doesnt need to look tough because he is tough. (Im not saying that you want a "tough" looking dog, because I understand that the visual deterent is half the bite)

I did teach my dog not to accept commands from strangers, and I sometimes tell her stay with me when someone wants to pet her, which translates (to her) that I dont want her to hang arounf with that person...

You can abuse a dog into being aloof..........

A dog is what he is, I have seen too much crap being done to dogs to make them what they aren't. If it doesnt come out with normal training and maturity then its not going to and therefore you should just accept what the dog is. A good trainer can bring it out of the dog if it is there. But I see too many trainers from IPO/Schutzhund backgrounds that seem to enjoy whipping and flanking dogs to make them angry and less trusting. So far I haven't seen this work in a positive way and I am opposed to flanking a dog just for the hell of it.

Didier, I too have a dog that at one time was nothing but friendly towards people coming into my home. What I didn't really assess was that most everyone coming into my home was a friend either of myself or of my kids. Levi rarely would bat an eye. Even more rare was a bark from the dog. At that time I would wonder, why doesn't he alert to the doorbell? why doesn't he bark at stuff. I already had an alpha male that barked and alerted to everything so I just don't think he felt the need to do so.

However, Levi has had protection training for six months and although he is progressing nicely with the work he has always still been quite friendly but somewhat aloof towards strangers. If he knows you, he will love you up! However, this last weekend we took him camping and he tried to attack two different men that approached us. I was flabergasted! It seems that together with the training, hormones and a bit of sharpness they are now attibuting to a new and more intense dog. All of a sudden he is alerting more and barking before my alpha male does. Now our focus will have to adjust to this new sharper dog. Making sure to balance drive with obedience. I have never had to use a pinch collar on Levi but I made the decision this last weekend that the time had finally come. Levi is 16 months old now and as time progresses he shows his genetic propensity towards being a fine protector. Levi has also been one to mature slowly and he's far from mature now. My trainer has told me that he has rarely seen a really good dog less than three years of age. Even when we work the watch command, my dog rarely barks, what he does do is follow every move that is made by the decoy, encircling me and countering and is all too eager to bite when given the opportunity. I asked the trainer if I should always have him barking on a watch and he said, "Is he watching? I said, "Yes", he said "well?" That was the end of that conversation. So, take heart my friend. Time will bring out what the dog was bred for. Just give him time. He's still young right? Sometimes what we percieve as confidence in a dog, such as barking, growling and aggression, only translates to insecurity and fear. The dog that does little before it bites is the one to really watch because they are the confident ones. Just as in real life, as in the protection world, Strong and silent are and can be desireable.

hi everyone

well you guys were informative and made some point but however what i wasnt able to mention was my opinion thta a guard dogwill have a hard time to differentiate a threat from one which isnt coz in real life a burglar when he sees a dog,wouldnt dare threaten it ,it will even pet it ,give some treats by chance even and how can a dog say the person is a threat if it aint even threatening?guess thats reality,no smart burglar will agitate a dog like what decoys dothats why i guess i would prefer a dog which is more aloof than a dog that has good temperament

An aloof dog isn't going to change the behavior of a burgurlar.
Get an alarm system.

If my house was ever robbed I would let them have it all, just please do not harm my dogs. Possesions are replaceable.

My husband owns a gun and protects us. It is not our dogs job.

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An aloof dog isn't going to change the behavior of a burgurlar.
Get an alarm system.

If my house was ever robbed I would let them have it all, just please do not harm my dogs. Possesions are replaceable.

My husband owns a gun and protects us. It is not our dogs job.

Sorry, I vehemently disagree with that type of attitude.

I work hard for my possessions - and I'll fight to keep them - the law allows me to do so. I don't reward criminal behavior.
If I am robbed, they had better kill me with the first shot, as I know that I can fight with a gunshot wound and prevail - letting them "have it all" will eventually lead to them doing real harm to some innocent somewhere down the line. I can't see how people live with that on their conscience.

Nope, not gonna happen on my watch.

And protecting me and my family *is* my dogs job. He's a working dog, not a pet ( and low and behold, this is a working dog forum....go figure )