Beth Fuqua wrote 04/08/2008 06:23 PM Re: Question about raw bone diet [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #189281 - 04/08/2008 06:23 PM
Beth Fuqua Webboard User Reg: 02-25-2004 Posts: 559 Loc: Joliet, IL Offline	Jerry, just to add to the "crowd" we have been feeding our dogs according to the Leerburg Menu that Connie linked since Jan 2005. Our "problems" as of then have gotten WAY better, and we're quite happy with how our young dogs are doing. The pictures do tell a good story - and I would recommend following the Leerburg menu. Best wishes, Beth Fuqua http://www.JolietSchutzhund.com
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Karen Stein wrote 04/12/2008 09:16 PM Re: Question about raw bone diet [Re: Beth Fuqua ] #190115 - 04/12/2008 09:16 PM
Karen Stein Webboard User Reg: 02-04-2008 Posts: 3 Loc: NC Offline	Jerry, I switched my dogs over to a raw food diet about 2 yrs ago. Best decision I ever made. It really helped with some allergies issues. We also made the switch "cold-turkey" but had some diarhhea. I almost gave up and went back to kibble; however, we finally got on tractk. I have found that pork is hard on my guys. Too much fat maybe and the bones are pretty dense. You need to pick one meat source (I started with chicken) for at least 2 wks before making any switch to another source. Some dogs tolerate pork neck bones well; others do not and this is something you may have to discover. Try to observe the dog to see if he is having difficulty passing the bone. Some dogs will throw up bone fragments that aren't able to be digested also. As a side note, occasionaly check your dog's mouth to look for any lodged bone fragments. I found one just the other day in the roof of my five month old pup's mouth lodged against a tooth. Good luck with the switch. Karen Stein
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Cameron Feathers wrote 04/13/2008 04:58 PM Re: Question about raw bone diet [Re: Karen Stein ] #190252 - 04/13/2008 04:58 PM
Cameron Feathers Webboard User Reg: 03-11-2008 Posts: 703 Loc: VA Offline	When a flower doesn't bloom, you fix the environment in which it grows, not the flower.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/13/2008 05:17 PM Re: Question about raw bone diet [Re: Cameron Feathers ] #190255 - 04/13/2008 05:17 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	In what way? I ask particularly about Wellness because of their Core foods that came out last year (no grain, 95% meat) and that made it onto the WDJ's best commercial foods list this year. (They recommend raw, but they also do their well-known annual "best foods" lists of kibble, canned, and dehydrated.) I don't have it in front of me, so I'm hoping that you can tell me what the problem ingredients are. This would make a big hole in the recommendations I make for folks who want to do canned.
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Cameron Feathers wrote 04/13/2008 05:38 PM Re: Question about raw bone diet [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #190263 - 04/13/2008 05:38 PM
Cameron Feathers Webboard User Reg: 03-11-2008 Posts: 703 Loc: VA Offline	When a flower doesn't bloom, you fix the environment in which it grows, not the flower.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/13/2008 05:58 PM Re: Question about raw bone diet [Re: Cameron Feathers ] #190266 - 04/13/2008 05:58 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: cameron feathers I will get in contact with the folks I used to work with for specifics. ... As for the "hole" you mentioned, I would suggest anything in the EVO line of Innova. They were the original 95% + meat company, and they are one of the only companies left (with california natural, their sister company) who still bake rather than extrude. sorry this was so long, I tried to par it down, but I think my experience with the company was necessary to paint the picture... Yes, of course Evo is on my short list too. Although I was referring to canned, I still want to know about any Wellness problem. I didn't even know that the company had been sold again (after the original one was sold in the 60s).
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/13/2008 06:04 PM Re: Question about raw bone diet [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #190267 - 04/13/2008 06:04 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	And in fact, any time *anyone* has new information about a premium food (such as the LB list), I would always appreciate a heads-up. I try to keep up with ingredients lists, ingredients provenance, etc., of all the low- and mo-grain foods.
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Cameron Feathers wrote 04/13/2008 06:14 PM Re: Question about raw bone diet [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #190269 - 04/13/2008 06:14 PM
Cameron Feathers Webboard User Reg: 03-11-2008 Posts: 703 Loc: VA Offline	When a flower doesn't bloom, you fix the environment in which it grows, not the flower.
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Cameron Feathers wrote 04/13/2008 06:25 PM Re: Question about raw bone diet [Re: Cameron Feathers ] #190273 - 04/13/2008 06:25 PM
Cameron Feathers Webboard User Reg: 03-11-2008 Posts: 703 Loc: VA Offline	Natural Life (don't know if it's on your list or not) has also sold it's company as well. I don't know who bought it, though I sent an email to a friend of mine who bought the store when I moved across country. The original guy who taught me the most (and I still talk to whenever I get stumped) still works there, and still takes trips to plants before bringing the product into the store (still gets asked to leave by some of them when they don't like the questions) He should get back to me in a day or so, I will try to find out who bought Wellness. When a flower doesn't bloom, you fix the environment in which it grows, not the flower.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/13/2008 07:08 PM Re: Question about raw bone diet [Re: Cameron Feathers ] #190278 - 04/13/2008 07:08 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: cameron feathers I don't know if you have heard about Ann Martin's book, "Food Pets' Die For" or not, but there were quite a few pet food companies that were marketing themselves as "all natural" that stopped interviews, refused to answer, etc when asked specifics about the ingredient list and how specific it really was. Wellness? I read that book, but did not read mention of Wellness. Yes, I've been following that Royal Canin class action suit. (Royal Canin is not a food on the LB list.)
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