Mary Velazquez Webboard User Reg: 12-24-2007
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I think that the show dogs of the 50s and 60s were really handsome. I would take one of em just because their s'dang handsome and put together looking.
Aside from that, I think that the show should work as a funciton of the working trials. to make sure that you arent getting Malinois passed of as shepherds and visa versa. But I have violent objections to the claim that judges can know anything about temperment in the show ring. as it is, with the show ring divorced from working ability, it can only be bad for the breed.
Sorry, Dan, I think I should have had more coffee, too! Just sort of assumed everyone would key in on the part I did: A study showed that in at least one breed (English Springer Spaniels), show line dogs have measureably more temperament problems than field/working line dogs. One study isn't enough to pronounce victory, but it's the first bit of scientific evidence concerning temperament I've come across that validates the instincts and reasoning of the working dog camp.
It stands to reason Anita given that show folks don't select for the totality of temperament when they breed and working folks do. Same is true, for the most part, in all working and show lines of working breeds. The only part of temperament that is required for showing is calmness, at the sacrifice of wariness which is deselected in their breed stock. Why? Because a dog must be clam in the show ring therefore being calm earns it points but if a dog is to wary points are loss. You do the math. This is especially distressing for the guardian breeds. The result of this selection, is the temperament in show lines working breeds is not sufficient for them to do there jobs unless that job is showing. Again you get what you breed for. It's not nice to fool mother nature.
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003
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Quote: kristin tresidder
don't get me wrong, i would bet against 99.9% of the show dogs in my breed when it comes to their original "work;" but that's the fault of generations of breeders, not the dogs, and not of the standard.
Actually, it's the fault of the *judges*. I continually see Showlines GSD's receive a "Prononced" in courage during the working portion of the Conformation shows which they do not deserve!
I can't count the number of times I was amazed at seeing spooky dogs which barely engaged the helper with a weak bite receive that "Prononced" - the judge should have *dismissed* that weak dog, instead it gets a BOGUS title.
And why aren't these dishonest judges being reported?!?
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