Carol Boche wrote 05/19/2008 05:17 PM Re: mistakes are good? [Re: Maisha Butler ] #195540 - 05/19/2008 05:17 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	IMHO, you are correct. I stick to a schedule for at least the first week or two and then the puppy/dog usually begins to be easy to read when they have to go potty. I do stick to outside after eating, playing and sleeping for a few months. Ember (7.5 mos approximately) now will pull on the lead to get to the door if she needs to go out. Also, listen to your dogs whines, you will get to a point where you can tell the difference between "I"m bored and want out AND "MOM I GOTTA GO". Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Maisha Butler wrote 05/19/2008 05:18 PM Re: mistakes are good? [Re: Jennifer Marshal ] #195543 - 05/19/2008 05:18 PM
Maisha Butler Webboard User Reg: 01-12-2008 Posts: 372 Loc: High Desert, California Offline	I'm not trying to be slow but when you say you mark it you mean you give it a treat, right? The funny thing is now when we take him outside he pees immediately and we pet and praise him and then when he finishes he pulls us back to the house as if to say, "I'm finish, let's go back." He's a smart dog maybe too smart for us. LOL
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Maisha Butler wrote 05/19/2008 05:20 PM Re: mistakes are good? [Re: Maisha Butler ] #195544 - 05/19/2008 05:20 PM
Maisha Butler Webboard User Reg: 01-12-2008 Posts: 372 Loc: High Desert, California Offline	Carol, That's our problem we don't know his whines yet. I may be crazy but this is a fun adventure. He's learning new things and we're learning. I can't wait until we all get it. Once that happens I'm going to throw a party and you all are invited.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/19/2008 05:21 PM Re: mistakes are good? [Re: Carol Boche ] #195546 - 05/19/2008 05:21 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	I forgot the point about using the same word all the time, as in (if you choose "potty") "Good potty!" This way, the word is connected in the dog's mind to the action. As Jennifer says, this connection can lead easily to going on command a little later on. Indoors I say "Potty?" and they line up, and when we get outside I say "Potty!" and they do. This includes an adopted chained-outside-for-years senior, so you can see that the method works.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/19/2008 05:22 PM Re: mistakes are good? [Re: Maisha Butler ] #195547 - 05/19/2008 05:22 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: maisha butler I'm not trying to be slow but when you say you mark it you mean you give it a treat, right? No, the marker is the verbal or clicker sound that "marks" the moment of the wanted behavior.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/19/2008 05:24 PM Re: mistakes are good? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #195548 - 05/19/2008 05:24 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	http://www.leerburg.com/markers.htm is a very good thing to read. I'd get the little book and clicker, too, here: http://www.leerburg.com/979.htm It says Clicker Training, but verbal markers work too. I use "yes!"
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/19/2008 05:26 PM Re: mistakes are good? [Re: Maisha Butler ] #195549 - 05/19/2008 05:26 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: maisha butler ... I may be crazy but this is a fun adventure. He's learning new things You might want to try Will's potty song. "Let's go Poopy Now" to the tune of "Let's go Surfin' Now" .....
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Maisha Butler wrote 05/19/2008 05:26 PM Re: mistakes are good? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #195550 - 05/19/2008 05:26 PM
Maisha Butler Webboard User Reg: 01-12-2008 Posts: 372 Loc: High Desert, California Offline	Thanks Connie, That's what we've been doing. We say "go potty" and then "good potty" Now before we can even say "go potty" he runs to his spot and pees and then we say "good potty." This cracks me up but he stares at me very intently when he is peeing.
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Carol Boche wrote 05/19/2008 05:27 PM Re: mistakes are good? [Re: Maisha Butler ] #195551 - 05/19/2008 05:27 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Quote: Maisha Butler Carol, That's our problem we don't know his whines yet. I may be crazy but this is a fun adventure. He's learning new things and we're learning. I can't wait until we all get it. Once that happens I'm going to throw a party and you all are invited. You will get there, trust me. And, remember, it is ALWAYS a PARTY for the PUPPY when correct behaviors are performed. Enjoy this time with him, puppies are one of the BEST parts of having a dog and it goes by too FAST.... Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Jennifer Marshal wrote 05/19/2008 05:39 PM Re: mistakes are good? [Re: Carol Boche ] #195559 - 05/19/2008 05:39 PM
Jennifer Marshal Webboard User Reg: 08-02-2007 Posts: 1078 Loc: Southern Oregon Offline	Yeap. I remember potty parties. Great links from Connie and for me I use the word "outside" because it just came to me and my brother didn't want to say "potty" in a high happy voice. He's 6' 4", body builder type so I can understand but for me it is just a habit now. You could say "Coffee!" if you wanted to :Grin: as long as you were consistent with tone and timing. I use voice markers and clickers, but with my own dogs I start out with voice marker and introduce clickers when the dog is older and understands the marker concept. I'm wierd like that. For potty times I just say the word, as outlined above, "Potty! Good Potty!" and love and affection and happiness (its a party, afterall) So I mark with the word for the action vs using a clicker as some pups when they know the clicker means reward, will stop peeing/not finish and want the reward. Food/treat smell can be very distracting. Not many did this but enough to engrain it as a habit to train just the word for going potty.
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