 Re: Keeping weight on with raw diet?
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#198337 - 06/11/2008 05:47 PM |
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Okay.. an extra chicken leg here, an extra bit of beef heart there.. better than adding anything cooked or a grain IMHO, if all that is needed is just more calories. Thanks Connie!
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Re: Keeping weight on with raw diet?
[Re: Patti Joseph ]
#198359 - 06/11/2008 08:40 PM |
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i could NOT keep the weight on capone, he was eating about triple what roxie was, and she outweighs him by about 10lbs or more....
i started feeding kibble once a day, raw once a day, and his weight picked right back up.
now, i am doing kibble for one meal, every other day or so....he is actually maintaining, which was impossible before, he was up and down.
hopefully, your dog won't be like this! it's a pain, and the cats(who are addicted to kibble) get very jealous, and thus hostile, because he gets kibble, and they don't.
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Re: Keeping weight on with raw diet?
[Re: Mallory Kwiatkowski ]
#198722 - 06/15/2008 03:54 AM |
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I would have to find a way to keep weight on him, should he have this problem, without kibble. I admit I have heard from others that kibble really does help keep weight on some dogs, but I can afford only either all raw or kibble, even a small bag means shipping costs for me in my situation. So if I can up the meat and RMBs, I would do that first, as Connie suggests. If I cannot because it goes over his fat intake tolerance limit, or because it costs more than I have, I would then end up adding a bit of the white rice or potato. Thank you for the ideas and suggestions!
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Re: Keeping weight on with raw diet?
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#198726 - 06/15/2008 07:53 AM |
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I have to say that I always assumed when this came up before that the dog was eating all that he would eat and still losing weight, so that the caloric density had to be manipulated.
The easiest way to add caloric density is to add more fat into the diet. As Connie states in another post in this thread.
For me what makes sense with a dog that has a active metabolism like the OPs dog. Is to add more fat, best is fish oil Salmon or Herring and you could add say in a teaspoon size vegetable oil in a pinch.
Oil/fat by its nature as a fuel source metabolizes a lot slower than protein in meat or carbs in grain. So one of two things will happen. The dog will gain weight or the dog will get diarrhea at first. If that happens it is to much fat to fast. I wouldn't foresee a problem though if you start in moderation.
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Re: Keeping weight on with raw diet?
[Re: Geoff Empey ]
#198792 - 06/16/2008 03:50 AM |
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I have a dog that is a pretty "hard keeper" and just want to point out that you can´t keep on feeding more forever. Yes, my dog will eat (but some won´t) but I take her for runs in the forest, walks on the streets (and she circles around enought that I will want to wait after a feeding before doing that), we train obedience and tracking (for what she obviously has to be hungry) so it is impossible to just keep on feeding her all day and she can´t eat enough to keep her in condition with just two meals. My dog lost condition FAST when I tried to put her on raw (probably my bad, I know) and I fear bloat enough to keep her on kibble now.
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Re: Keeping weight on with raw diet?
[Re: Jaana Aadamsoo ]
#198821 - 06/16/2008 10:19 AM |
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The poster you responded to was suggesting increased caloric density with fat.... rather than just increasing amounts.
That would be my route, too, with a very hard keeper.
Dogs use fat similarly to the way humans use complex carbs.
Fear of bloat (for me) would absolutely not lead me away from raw and into kibble. It would lead me to feeding more fat.
I'm not a health professional, and that's JMO.
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Re: Keeping weight on with raw diet?
[Re: Jaana Aadamsoo ]
#198825 - 06/16/2008 10:40 AM |
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. . .My dog lost condition FAST when I tried to put her on raw (probably my bad, I know) and I fear bloat enough to keep her on kibble now.
I lost a GSD several years ago to bloat, and he had been on raw food for years. I think stress was the main contributing factor in his case. I'm a strong believer in raw feeding, and I'd certainly wouldn't consider a kibble-fed dog to be at any less risk for bloat. There are numerous other factors in play here.
When I first switched a dog to raw many years ago, he initially lost some weight, but actually became trimmer and healthier. For an extremely active dog, I think it'd take more work to put together the optimum raw diet than most of us can get away with an "average" dog, but still very doable.
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Re: Keeping weight on with raw diet?
[Re: Mike Armstrong ]
#198900 - 06/17/2008 02:47 AM |
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I actually believe in raw feeding and incurage people to chec it out and use it (and, boy, wasn´t my boss happy about it when I worked at the pet store). I just don´t seem to get it right. And fear of bloat isn´t because of the raw itself but the amout I have to feed- I whould feed 4-5 times a day. When whould there be a gap long enough to take her out for some serious running (that means letting her loose in the forest- she just races herself silly)? Normal pork is just fine with her but adding fat gave her some serious runs...
PS. I didn´t reply to Geoff specificly- I just use the "Quick reply" box at the end of the page and I guess it puts the last poster as the Re:... Should I change that habit or is this generally ok?
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Re: Keeping weight on with raw diet?
[Re: Jaana Aadamsoo ]
#198915 - 06/17/2008 10:05 AM |
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PS. I didn´t reply to Geoff specificly- I just use the "Quick reply" box at the end of the page and I guess it puts the last poster as the Re:... Should I change that habit or is this generally ok?
I think it's usually fine. 
If I'm using the Quick Reply and I DO want to be clear about the message I'm replying to, I use that person's name.
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Re: Keeping weight on with raw diet?
[Re: Jaana Aadamsoo ]
#198916 - 06/17/2008 10:07 AM |
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Normal pork is just fine with her but adding fat gave her some serious runs...
Yes, I have always been quite gradual about adding fat, and I have often used good oils as the form.
The dogs I have now do not need extra fat, but it has come up.
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