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[Re: Howard Knauf ]
#198333 - 06/11/2008 05:11 PM |
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Re: The Assistance Dog Scam?!!
[Re: Mike Arnold ]
#198349 - 06/11/2008 07:53 PM |
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Yea, this guy knows the rules. He wasn't happy about us not arresting the manager because in this instance, he was wrong.
He still had the dog on leash when he walked out...funny thing is, it was dragging him out the building. Gee, that dog sounds like a service dog. Lets drag a stroke victim around till he falls, Geeze. Then again, a fall is good for a lawsuit too.
Howard
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 Re: The Assistance Dog Scam?!!
[Re: Howard Knauf ]
#198356 - 06/11/2008 08:23 PM |
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Howard,
I'm seeing first hand that more and more people are abusing the concept of the "service dog" - the laws need to be strongly tightened up regarding the requirements of what constitutes a service dog, and a consistent level of training should be required for any dog to achieve a "service dog" certification.
Just the abuse that landlords put up with when tenants conveniently get their dogs declared "assistance dogs" so that they can keep a pet against the rules of the lease should make any law abiding citizen cringe - that's abuse, plain and simple. And it hurts the remainder of us dog owners that don't abuse the system for their own selfish gain.
I'm all for service dog for the blind and the truly disabled, but several of the other categories of assistance dogs seem to be increasingly abused by crackpots ( the taking of a dog into public to decrease anxiety is simply ridiculous and a complete abuse of the system ).
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Re: The Assistance Dog Scam?!!
[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#198357 - 06/11/2008 08:30 PM |
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I hear you Will. The live person I spoke to today did say that anxiety service dogs are not permitted, or legitimate. I guess its all in who you speak to, and at what day and time it is. Red tape runs amok on this issue.
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Re: The Assistance Dog Scam?!!
[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#198360 - 06/11/2008 08:44 PM |
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I have a question Howard,
Suppose the dog had run into someone like me (and I believe like many others on this board) that wouldn't cotton to having a dog accost me out of the blue? And just for the sake of arguement I was so put out by it, I defended myself against this 'service dog', with the net result being an injured or worse 'sevice dog'. Would I then have to defend myself at my expense against the negligent owner? Would it be on me to prove the dog was out of control? And how would you as an officer deal with what would certainly (sounds like) the altercation between me and the owner of the now disabled 'service dog'. Where would my rights stand?
If I'm not learning, I'm not paying attention.
Randy
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#198363 - 06/11/2008 09:02 PM |
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Hi Randy,
Were I making the call, I would have had the dogs' owner charged with "aggressive animal at Large". As it stands now, we had about 7 witness statements that will uphold animal controls charge of that very offense. If he wants to have everyone else live by the letter of the law, then he has to as well. A theater full of average Joe witnesses would have you covered. And in this case, the theater is covered.
When the dog charged me I stood my ground. Had he bit me then I would have civil recourse like any other citizen. Then this scam artist would have to deal with what he's trying to put other people through.
Howard
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Re: The Assistance Dog Scam?!!
[Re: Howard Knauf ]
#198366 - 06/11/2008 09:53 PM |
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Thanks Howard.
It's nice to know the crazies and scam artists don't have complete control. That the insane don't have the keys to the city.
And finally, thanks for being out there each and every day to watch my back when no one else cares or would care.
Randy
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Re: The Assistance Dog Scam?!!
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#198383 - 06/12/2008 08:06 AM |
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Re: The Assistance Dog Scam?!!
[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#198403 - 06/12/2008 11:09 AM |
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I'm all for service dog for the blind and the truly disabled, but several of the other categories of assistance dogs seem to be increasingly abused by crackpots ( the taking of a dog into public to decrease anxiety is simply ridiculous and a complete abuse of the system ).
I am too all for a real service dog. Being disabled myself I see lots of potential for a dog to be able to assist me in day to day living.
One thing though that I'd like to take a devil's advocate point of view on is the use of a service dog to lessen anxiety.
Not knowing someones specific case saying that the use of a dog to lessen anxiety is ridiculous and and a complete abuse of the system. What do you base this on Will? If bringing a dog out in public will allow a person with a mental illness function in public. Really how is the use of the dog ridiculous and a complete abuse? Especially as long as all the criteria for the dog's said use is met.
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Re: The Assistance Dog Scam?!!
[Re: Geoff Empey ]
#198407 - 06/12/2008 11:19 AM |
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Geoff,
Here's what I base that on - the slippery slope.
Ok, I don't like crowds, and after all those combat tours of mine I take defending myself *very* seriously. Guess I'll get Fetz declared an "assitance dog' by some well intentioned but clueless MD so I can take him *everywhere* in public.
Sounds crazy? It'd be no different than what someone using "anxiety" as a disability does.
Those people function better with their dogs in public? Well, so would I.
But I don't abuse the system like they do.
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