Connie Sutherland wrote 06/18/2008 07:31 PM Re: RMB Question [Re: Rei Chee ] #199160 - 06/18/2008 07:31 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	1. Antibiotics kill flukes? I am pretty sure that's not true. There are a couple of flukicides, but I don't know much about them. 2. The salmon problem with dogs (so-called "salmon poisoning," very deadly to dogs) has been discussed here many times, but it's always worth reminding folks, so thanks, Alyssa. It's Neorickettsia in raw salmonids from west of the Cascade Range that are the culprits. Canids seem to be the only victims. Don't let dogs eat uncooked salmon, trout, steelhead, and the like from San Francisco to Alaska (the range of the snail that infects the fish). 3. I'd like to learn more about liver flukes in grazers.
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Rei Chee wrote 06/18/2008 07:38 PM Re: RMB Question [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #199163 - 06/18/2008 07:38 PM
Rei Chee Webboard User Reg: 02-25-2008 Posts: 107 Loc: San Diego, CA Offline	It does require more in-depth research, but it might be difficult since researchers probably would not consider consuming the liver raw, and in regards to dogs for that matter. As I have said, I am not sure about liver flukes and its presence in our food web and if antibiotics does prevent them from getting into their system. It is based on mere speculation, so do not take all my words for the truth. Any fluke experts out there? Let me know if you find something, Connie! )
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Melissa Charles wrote 06/18/2008 07:52 PM Re: RMB Question [Re: Sarah Morris ] #199170 - 06/18/2008 07:52 PM
Melissa Charles Webboard User Reg: 05-08-2008 Posts: 85 Loc: Offline	The ox tails have a fair bit of meat and marrow,the bone doesn't seem too bad. I actually watched him pull a whole tail out of the freezer and buzz me off 2 pieces. Who knew ox tails were so freaking huge? I'm trying to shift Winston off a fully ground diet to the RMB, so introducing some RMB seemed to be the first step, and since hubby forgot to ask about chicken backs at the grocery store and I was literally walking by the butcher today, thought I'd see what I found. Unfortunately, the bones are stripped clean, so no hope of scraps that way...Poor Winston will have to suffer human grade food
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Connie Sutherland wrote 06/18/2008 08:11 PM Re: RMB Question [Re: Rei Chee ] #199178 - 06/18/2008 08:11 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Rei Chee Any fluke experts out there? Let me know if you find something, Connie! ) I'll check it out as soon as I can, and meanwhile if anyone else knows about it..... please post!
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Melissa Thom wrote 06/18/2008 11:06 PM Re: RMB Question [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #199237 - 06/18/2008 11:06 PM
Melissa Thom Webboard User Reg: 12-04-2007 Posts: 2781 Loc: Upper Left hand corner, USA Offline	It's been a long time since I was employed at the goat dairy. Here is some information. http://www.goatbiology.com/parasites.html http://www.goatconnection.com/articles/publish/article_112.shtml http://www.jackmauldin.com/documents/article1.pdf http://www.jackmauldin.com/documents/article7.pdf The basic rule of thumb is that due to the way goats are raised it is near impossible to keep them worm free because from the moment the wormer stops worming the animals are quickly reinfected from contaminated pastures. So as a result most farmers don't bother trying to keep them worm free but rather have their worm gut load under control through routine wormings. When you start messing with slaughtering these animals the restrictions on worming/other medical chemicals put pressure on the farmer to not use any additional chemicals at all when finishing which allows this worm gut load to spike as these animals continue to browse on that same contaminated pasture. The liver fluke lifecycle is covered on the first of those links. It's a pain to treat.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 06/18/2008 11:16 PM Re: RMB Question [Re: Melissa Thom ] #199240 - 06/18/2008 11:16 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	So then the problem would be eating raw guts and organs?
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Melissa Thom wrote 06/18/2008 11:23 PM Re: RMB Question [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #199245 - 06/18/2008 11:23 PM
Melissa Thom Webboard User Reg: 12-04-2007 Posts: 2781 Loc: Upper Left hand corner, USA Offline	exactly. I wouldn't raw feed goat or sheep organs to my dogs because of the extreme worm gut loads from being finished on pasture as opposed to grain. I have no problem feeding cow, rabbit, or chicken organs because they're kept relatively clean in feed yards prior to slaughter and are usually given their last chemicals before going to the finishing yards in the case of cows and chickens and rabbits are kept exceptionally clean and away from contaminates if they come from a reputable farm. Cooked sheep/goat organs are fine and make a fine haggus :-) Edited by Melissa Thom (06/18/2008 11:28 PM) Edit reason: quick edit.
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Melissa Charles wrote 06/18/2008 11:46 PM Re: RMB Question [Re: Melissa Thom ] #199249 - 06/18/2008 11:46 PM
Melissa Charles Webboard User Reg: 05-08-2008 Posts: 85 Loc: Offline	They don't sell organs at the butcher I was at today. I'm not sure, but I think its against the religion to eat organ meat.
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Rei Chee wrote 06/19/2008 12:20 AM Re: RMB Question [Re: Melissa Charles ] #199251 - 06/19/2008 12:20 AM
Rei Chee Webboard User Reg: 02-25-2008 Posts: 107 Loc: San Diego, CA Offline	Interesting observation! I assume this is a Muslim butcher since they tend to carry goat. But do correct me if I am mistaken! Now that I think about it, I don't recall the Halal food stands selling organ meats back in my home country. They do sell beef lungs, and boy were those delicious. I wish there was a Halal meat market around my area. Goat stew is to die for. I love the Asian version, with lotsa ginger. But the Muslim recipe wins hands down ... but it's like a cholesterol time bomb. Still ... Definitely gotta have some next time I go home for a visit. :slurp:
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Melissa Charles wrote 06/19/2008 12:32 AM Re: RMB Question [Re: Rei Chee ] #199252 - 06/19/2008 12:32 AM
Melissa Charles Webboard User Reg: 05-08-2008 Posts: 85 Loc: Offline	Yes, I believe so...I think the name of the butcher shop is Falal? (Its either the name, or style of butcher, I just know it as 'that place on the corner' :blush Very small place, just one display case with lamb and goat pieces. As I mentioned earlier, he brought an entire oxtail out of the freezer and buzzed me off 2 pieces. I never realized ox tails were so huge, lol!
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