 Re: How tight should a prong collar be ?
[Re: Michael_Wise ]
#205851 - 08/15/2008 02:24 PM |
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Thanks for your time. Don't forget to let me know how many links there are. 
This is what bugs me the most, because I find it almost doesn't look like a collar anymore with only 5 links remaining.
I'm also questioning if a micro prong would be sturdy enough for a hard JRT. leerburg.com mentions "for 5pounds and up", but my dog weights 20pounds, so there's quite a difference.
You never had any issue ?
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Re: How tight should a prong collar be ?
[Re: Francis Daigle ]
#205856 - 08/15/2008 02:42 PM |
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Thanks for your time. Don't forget to let me know how many links there are.
Will do.:smile:
This is what bugs me the most, because I find it almost doesn't look like a collar anymore with only 5 links remaining.
Yeah, with that many links out you've almost made yourself a martingale. 
I'm also questioning if a micro prong would be sturdy enough for a hard JRT. leerburg.com mentions "for 5pounds and up", but my dog weights 20pounds, so there's quite a difference.
You never had any issue ?
No issues here, but we're talkin' 2 different dogs, too.
I've heard of people using them on much bigger dogs. Even doubling them up to get extra strength. Someone use to have a picture of a bigger dog with 2 on. Can't find it now, though.
Regardless of what prong collar size or dog size, always use a DD collar as a backup. Just in case the prong collar fails.
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Re: How tight should a prong collar be ?
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#205901 - 08/15/2008 05:29 PM |
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Sounds like your dog is in-between sizes possibly.
First question- what kind of prong collar? I ONLY use two kinds, small and medium, no dog needs a large. They are ONLY Herm Sprenger, too.
The picture Leerburg has is good, however, I am confused as to why the dog in the picture has his prong collar on backwards. When you are standing in front of the dog to put his collar on, the two-prongs should be in your left hand. Or else when you correct the dog in heeling the prongs will be pulling the wrong way, they lie a certain way on the neck.
If he is in between sizes, it is better to go a little big than too tight. You should be able to put it up high on the neck and fit one or two fingers each, under two of the prongs. When you pull, the 3 rings should never all touch, meaning the collar should never be able to lock all the way closed when you pull.
I also don't like quick release at all, i never use them, ever since one snapped open on one of my dogs.
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Re: How tight should a prong collar be ?
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#205902 - 08/15/2008 05:33 PM |
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Thanks for your time. Don't forget to let me know how many links there are.
This is what bugs me the most, because I find it almost doesn't look like a collar anymore with only 5 links remaining.
I'm also questioning if a micro prong would be sturdy enough for a hard JRT. leerburg.com mentions "for 5pounds and up", but my dog weights 20pounds, so there's quite a difference.
You never had any issue ?
5 links should be enough to train a dog.
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Re: How tight should a prong collar be ?
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#205984 - 08/15/2008 11:27 PM |
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O.K. Francis, got some numbers for you.
Turbo's neck is roughly 11" right behind the ears. The prong collar is 12". It has 12 links.
I'll get you a pic tomorrow. My camera sucks. I'll borrow a good one so you can actually see something in the picture other than a blurry metal thing.:smile:
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Re: How tight should a prong collar be ?
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#206034 - 08/16/2008 11:55 AM |
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Thanks alot Micheal. Don't bother with the camera, I got the idea.
12links does sound like it would give a more efficient, uniform correction.
I guess I'll have to add a micro-prong to my santa's list. Is is the same model than the one sold at leerburg?
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Re: How tight should a prong collar be ?
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#206045 - 08/16/2008 05:02 PM |
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I ONLY use two kinds, small and medium, no dog needs a large.
Jennifer, your blanket statements need to be clarified IMO. I use a small prong for obedience and a large prong for tracking when I want to administer the slightest of corrections.
I imagine for a very soft dog a large prong for obedience may be all that's needed.
I realize the OP has a JRT and there are probably no soft JRT's. 
FWIW, the prong collar on the dog in your signature picture is not placed correctly. It should be an inch or two higher under the chin and behind the ears I believe.
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 Re: How tight should a prong collar be ?
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#206046 - 08/16/2008 05:14 PM |
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I ONLY use two kinds, small and medium, no dog needs a large.
I competed for years in AKC OB with Old English Mastiffs - and have no doubt, most those dogs *needed* a large prong during the training phase ( some of their necks were up to *30* inches...got any idea how many medium prong links that would take?  ).
You seem to make a lot of blanket statements that are just, well....wrong. That's usually the sign of an inexperienced trainer.
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Re: How tight should a prong collar be ?
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#206047 - 08/16/2008 05:53 PM |
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This is what bugs me the most, because I find it almost doesn't look like a collar anymore with only 5 links remaining.
maya was 24-ish lbs, and wore a medium collar, with only 5 links, the 2 that don't come off(attached to the chain itsself) and 3 links.
it was fine.
i think mostly, it just bothers you, not the dog.
people come into the store all the time with a dog on a huge prong, way too loose, with ALL the links in, plus some. you can slip it over the dogs head. there is like 6 inches of slack there, it.s crazy. when you get used to seeing this, a properly fitted prong can look "too tight".
whe people com in, i tell them, if it looks and feels too tight, it's generally perfect". i mean, when i help them fit the prong, they are practically in tears because "it's too tight". but they walk around the store, and it works. then they go home, add 7 links, and then return it a week later, because their dog "isn't responding" or "is choking". *shakes head*.
can you take a pic and post a link so we can see how it fits on the dog?
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Re: How tight should a prong collar be ?
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#206051 - 08/16/2008 06:21 PM |
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The picture Leerburg has is good, however, I am confused as to why the dog in the picture has his prong collar on backwards. When you are standing in front of the dog to put his collar on, the two-prongs should be in your left hand. Or else when you correct the dog in heeling the prongs will be pulling the wrong way, they lie a certain way on the neck.
I was not aware of that there is a specific orientation to the collar. Can you elaborate on how the prongs pull in a correct and incorrect direction? I tried this on my leg and could not tell the difference.
Thanks!
P.S. I think the quick release collars are great, but like the "traditional" prongs I pair them with a dominant dog collar as back-up for that very reason of the odd occasion they come apart.
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