Cameron, are you saying that's how M Ellis teaches heeling? The pup is in position and then you throw it?
That's actually NOT the way M. Ellis teaches heeling.
If you are throwing a reward for correct position, then the dog will start LEAVING correct position in anticipation of the reward.
I have posted video of Rush learning to stay in correct position on here before, I actually carry the reward above his head and drop it to him WHILE he is in the position. I guarantee if I started throwing rewards for him, he would have a hard time understanding what position he was actually supposed to be in to get his toy. In the beginning stages, M. Ellis really likes food used anyway because you can rapidly reward the dog without a break in position.
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Cameron, are you saying that's how M Ellis teaches heeling? The pup is in position and then you throw it?
No I meant about the pulling - like when the handler was coming on the field to do bite work which was really exciting. He was talking about starting with a step or two of the heel, then allowing the dog to pull onto the field, gradually working up to heeling the entire time onto the field while staying in drive.
I was trying to think of a way to re-inforce the heeling using an activity the dog enjoyed... more or less, "if I get in the right position, I get a reward for it. Don't know when it comes, but I get it" kind of thing.
Maybe not a good idea, but that was what I was thinking.
When a flower doesn't bloom, you fix the environment in which it grows, not the flower.
That's how i do it Cindy, right in position. My 6 yr old to this day looks like he wants to bolt to a ball when heeling even if there's no ball/toy around because i was stupid and threw the ball as the reward when he was little.
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Thanks to everyone for their advice and clearing things up. Why can't there be a Leerburg forum club out here in the High Desert? Or maybe you guys should post some videos...hint hint.
Cameron, are you saying that's how M Ellis teaches heeling? The pup is in position and then you throw it?
No I meant about the pulling - like when the handler was coming on the field to do bite work which was really exciting. He was talking about starting with a step or two of the heel, then allowing the dog to pull onto the field, gradually working up to heeling the entire time onto the field while staying in drive.
I was trying to think of a way to re-inforce the heeling using an activity the dog enjoyed... more or less, "if I get in the right position, I get a reward for it. Don't know when it comes, but I get it" kind of thing.
Maybe not a good idea, but that was what I was thinking.
This is a different exercise, for people who want to teach "heeling" in protection. IMO focus needs to be taught first.
In protection you don't want the dog focused on you during the heeling portion, so this is more how you teach a "with me" command not how you teach a dog not to pull.
Since so many of us teach focused heeling first, there needs to be a clear way to teach the dog that HEEL means focus and WALK or WITH ME means stay in heel position without focus.
For the issue the OP is having, I would recommend teaching a focused heel.
Thanks to everyone for their advice and clearing things up. Why can't there be a Leerburg forum club out here in the High Desert? Or maybe you guys should post some videos...hint hint.
I have a few videos (with many more waiting to be added when I have some time) of training here
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