Sorry guys, but, do you really think that a treadmill is a good idea? This is a seven month old puppy and it is a large breed mix. Not really a great bit of advice at this point in the dog's life. Too much running on the treadmill at this age can lead to health problems down the road.
The knee isn't working because you aren't doing it hard enough or quick enough. Remember timing is everything and if the dog anticipates it and plays with you, you aren't doing it right. An E-collar would probably work well here also.
I agree with re-directing the dog's energy, but, it won't be foolproof without training the behavior out of the dog.

Excuse me if this is an ignorant question but shouldn't someone who accepts clients and charges for their dog training knowledge be able to handle jumping up on people before they start charging?

I didn't see anyone mention it, but what has been extremely effective with Teagan and jumping (though she hasn't globalized it to ALL people) is turning your back on her and giving her no attention. It worked better and faster for me than the knee in the chest thing, and it's been effective in curbing her jumping with Toby and my brother too.
Edit: duh, I just saw in the OP what you've been doing was what I just said....sigh me and my fast reading. I guess my only other question is - how long has each technique been tried for? I'm just wondering about consistency vs. switching techniques....

Also, I didn't see it mentioned, but if the dog won't sit without the prong, etc - maybe some NILIF/groundwork is warranted? It doesn't sound like it is really looking to the owner as a leader. I could be wrong though....

And what Steve said about a large-breed puppy and exercise is my understanding as well - my understanding was that large-breeds should not be run before 18 months - ???

I'm with Simon,
Lisa what are you doing charging someone for training when a simple thing like jumping up from a puppy can't be handled?

No, I do not use a knee in the chest, no I do not turn my back, no I don't use negetive enforcement. I TEACH the dog something.

You want to be a trainer Lisa? Start stretching your mind a little.

Best advice I can offer.
Randy

Wait, wait .....isn't she stretching her mind by coming here and asking for help?

Even some of the most knowledgeable trainers may run into an issue with a dog that their "tools" will not work so they seek out other knowledgeable people and ask "Have you ever run into this before? If so, what did you do? I have a dog in right now that is giving me fits......"

You never stop learning in our world....and we all had to start somewhere.......training our own, or starting a business.....

I agree jumping can be a rather simple fix, but only if you have the tool that will work for that dog.....

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... Even some of the most knowledgeable trainers may run into an issue with a dog that their "tools" will not work so they seek out other knowledgeable people and ask "Have you ever run into this before? If so, what did you do? I have a dog in right now that is giving me fits......"

Good point.

Far more helpful than re-opening a three-month-old thread, not with a great idea to add to the suggestions already given, but with a comment to the effect of "You have a nerve asking questions."

JMHO.


P.S. I get paid actual money too, and yet, believe it or not, I actually post questions here! Go figure.....

Not only do I post questions, but I also learn a ton from other people's questions and responses!

Actually there seem to be more training issues than just jumping.

"You can only place her in a sit if she is wearing her prong collar, otherwise she does not listen"

I don't often post but I do come here and lurk for advice. I consider many of the people here to be more experienced and educated about training than I and really value much of the information I've gotten. With that said: I am starting to have a real problem with so many people claiming to be professional trainers without first acquiring professional level knowledge.
This extends to pet store trainers and others looking to make money from people who don't know better. I actually had someone at my house for a party who was amazed that my GSD and husky held a down with so many people around. We chatted quite a bit and she gave me her "dog behavorial consultant" business card. I don't know what that is but I really don't consider down, sit, don't eat the kid etc. advanced training. I applaud seeking help for training issues you can't solve but shouldn't there be a certain base of knowledge before you start charging?

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I applaud seeking help for training issues you can't solve but shouldn't there be a certain base of knowledge before you start charging?

Well, with the question put that way....yes, I would say that I would agree with seeing a "baseline" of knowledge before being able to collect fees for services.

However, unfortunately, anyone that can make a dog sit (no matter what method) may call themselves a trainer and start charging.

This is where the JohnQ public needs to step up and educate themselves and look at backgrounds, resumes and references of the trainers they are looking at.

I totally loathe the pet store obedience classes. Sometimes you might see something good come out of it, but to me it is more like a racket than a good base training for animals.

I did not start charging money for anything that I helped people with until I had a dog or dogs that were trained and certified by me in that discipline. My fees are low compared to some of the other trainers out there in SAR as well. Mainly because what I do is serious business and there are dedicated people out there that may not be able afford some of the seminar fees out there. I am not in this for the money, but rather for the love of what I do and seeing other handlers and their dogs certify with credited organizations after training with me is payment enough.

With all of that said, there are so many "corners" of the market in the dog world that I do not think it is fair to judge someone because they asked a question like was asked here.

Some of us are great at handling a dog in some venues but we may lack knowledge or experience in other areas. I think that if people charge only for what they know they excel at and not for the other areas, then that is fine.

I think one of the best ways to get started in something like obedience training is to go to the humane societies and offer to foster a dog for 30 days and train obedience (for no charge of course) so that the dog becomes a better candidate for adoption. Not only does the shelter and the dog benefit, but so does the foster person as it gives them a chance to "hone" their skills in order to start a "training" business.

The worst thing is that there are people out there that think they are trainers and they "screw" people out of their money. Those are the people that should be ashamed of themselves.

The people out there that are actually trying to make a go of it and maybe need to learn a few things along the way, but are good trainers already....heck, I'll try to help them all I can.

The dog needs to have it's excess energy worked off mentally and physically and then be taught to hold a sit while greeting people. If the owner can't do that then they seriously need to reconsider having a large active dog in a double wide trailer. Especially since the primary caretaker has back problems.

It's very simple and I agree with the others that a trainer who cannot handle a problem as simple as jumping and is not well rounded enough to know several methods of stopping that behavior should not be training other peoples dogs at all let alone charging them money! Giving advice to a friend is fine but if you're charging for it you need to know what you're doing!

Yes boxers do have a tendency to jump. Our Xena girl is pogo powered when she sees her leash or her meal being prepared. But she also sits when they put it in front of her because she knows that she must sit and control herself before she is hooked up for the walk or allowed to eat. All of our foster pups that we've had come through learn the same stuff. Puppies don't have to sit quite as long(under 12 weeks no waiting at all) but you'd be surprised how fast they pick up a little self control when it leads to their food being put down!

I think very few trainers are out to "screw" people out of money. I suspect there is a large contingent of people who have taken a beginner class or two and having taught their own dog to sit feel ready to share their expertise with the public. I know it's tempting to think of "sit" as an accomplishment and for many dog owners it is but training doesn't begin or end there. As a professional I feel you should walk in the door with a pretty comprehensive arsenal of weapons to use with a problem dog/owner. That's what sets a pro apart from an amateur. Regardless of intent ignorance can do tons of damage.