Re: "Human" Shelters
[Re: Janet Koehler ]
#210859 - 09/26/2008 02:10 PM |
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Re: "Human" Shelters
[Re: Janet Koehler ]
#210872 - 09/26/2008 05:57 PM |
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To each his own! Actually I was adopted, so, I have some insight on this and yes, I too am very glad that I didn't have any. I think those that want to and can raise them responsibly should go for it, but, I don't see it as some kind of ultimate fulfillment of one's existence or anything. I also resent having the burden of the choices of others put on me. A lot of people with kids take that as some king of entitlement to let their rude kids run around the restaurant or to impose them at the work place or to cry boo hoo for money on TV because life happened and they just spent all their money at Wal Mart on games or something. Give me a break.
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Re: "Human" Shelters
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#210873 - 09/26/2008 06:02 PM |
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19?????? What's up with that? I was out working and living on my own at 18 so why on earth would anyone feel that a 19 y.o. had to be in state's custody?
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Re: "Human" Shelters
[Re: Gayle Balaban ]
#210886 - 09/26/2008 08:08 PM |
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Well that's crap.
I am 19 married no chrildren 2 many dogs and cats to count LOL.
Raised for 10 years in the foster system befor my mom adopted me at 12.
My real mom lost me and they took me away on top of other things anyway point being.
These kids will turn out like there parents for ever 1 foster parent that is good there are five that are just in it for the money.
What does CPS say they yeah right.
I am glad these parents did what they did. And did not hurt the kids but there not any better off they will al be seperated.
I will not have kids tell I am sure I love kids but I will spoil my 12 nieces and nephews and send them home.
I hope the best for these kids but I know better I lived it.
Please love or get on birth controle. CPS sucks
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Re: "Human" Shelters
[Re: Stephanie St Julian ]
#210897 - 09/27/2008 01:01 AM |
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Did anyone read the update, in which it is clear that a presumably otherwise loving father, has hit the end of his rope after his wife died less than a year ago?
Where he was once part of a parenting team, he has suddenly had the mantle of sole caregiver, teacher and parent to several kids thrust upon him... the guy is flat-out overwhelmed, and I can see how it could happen.
I doubt my mom would have made it through as well with my brother and I after my father's death, if other family had not stepped up and cared for us while my mom tried to mourn and piece her life back together.
While I think the world is full of absolute POS parents, this guy doesn't sound like it.
He sounds like a guy, overwhelmed with grief, and nowhere else to turn.
It sounds like a failure of community and family to support a mourning father and husband.
I think the guy did what he though was best, under the circumstances. Perhaps CPS can provide this guy with some grief counseling and other support services like child care, parenting classes and after-school activities for the kids; perhaps with that additional support, he may be able to adjust to his dramatically changed circumstances.
Just my two cents.
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Re: "Human" Shelters
[Re: Aaron Myracle ]
#210924 - 09/27/2008 12:28 PM |
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Did anyone read the update, in which it is clear that a presumably otherwise loving father, has hit the end of his rope after his wife died less than a year ago?
Where he was once part of a parenting team, he has suddenly had the mantle of sole caregiver, teacher and parent to several kids thrust upon him... the guy is flat-out overwhelmed, and I can see how it could happen.
I doubt my mom would have made it through as well with my brother and I after my father's death, if other family had not stepped up and cared for us while my mom tried to mourn and piece her life back together.
While I think the world is full of absolute POS parents, this guy doesn't sound like it.
He sounds like a guy, overwhelmed with grief, and nowhere else to turn.
It sounds like a failure of community and family to support a mourning father and husband.
I think the guy did what he though was best, under the circumstances. Perhaps CPS can provide this guy with some grief counseling and other support services like child care, parenting classes and after-school activities for the kids; perhaps with that additional support, he may be able to adjust to his dramatically changed circumstances.
Just my two cents.
Amen! Worth every penny, IMHO.
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Re: "Human" Shelters
[Re: Michael_Wise ]
#210930 - 09/27/2008 12:56 PM |
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Yes, I did read the update. And my feelings remain the same. This law is wrong.
And since we're talking about this particular man...
His children were not "thrust" upon him. He presumably had some say-so in bringing 10 children into the world.
"Failure of community and family"? No one knew...and maybe no one knew because he never let on. You can't help anyone who doesn't ask for it and won't accept it. Sounds like the relatives stepped right up when they learned what happened.
And while we're feeling badly for this man, let's not forget that his children lost a parent less than a year ago, lost their home and father a few days ago, and have now become wards of the State.
I have enormous empathy for anyone suffering from grief and depression. Been there, done that, know how bad it can be. But that's no reason to justify a REALLY bad law.
Apparently, we can find any reason or excuse to say walking away from your responsibilities...your children...is OK. Nebraska made it a law, didn't think it through, and are now horrified at the consequences. I haven't read anything yet that says all these abandoned children came from terrible, abusive, and dangerous situations. On the contrary, what I've read is that the parents can't or don't want to deal with it anymore and took the easy way out that the State provided them.
Preventing murder, abuse, and neglect has been mentioned as a good reason for a safe-haven law. They *might* happen so therefore we should lower our standards and lower the bar even further, down to the lowest common denominator. Moral relativism raises its ugly head once again.
Hate to say it, but anyone depraved enough to do the aforementioned to a child is unlikely to suddenly "grow" a conscience and turn them over to the State instead. Any more than the people who abuse, neglect, and kill animals turn them into shelters.
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Re: "Human" Shelters
[Re: Sarah Morris ]
#210933 - 09/27/2008 01:57 PM |
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FROM THE ARTICLE:
"A number of relatives have volunteered to take the Staton siblings, said Kathie Osterman, a spokeswoman for the state department of Health and Human Services. She said the children may be temporarily placed with those family members until a judge decides on permanent custody.
Osterman said Staton never asked relatives for help."
Staton's wife died in early 2007, shortly after giving birth to their 10th child. The man told police he hasn't worked since July and was struggling to make ends meet. "I was with her for 17 years, and then she was gone. What was I going to do?" Staton said to Omaha television station KETV. "We raised them together. I didn't think I could do it alone. I fell apart. I couldn't take care of them.""
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Wow. So the guy thought it would be better to abandon his kids, throw them away, than ask his relatives for help? What too embarrassed or too proud? Give me a break.
I am sorry for anyone who loses their partner, but this guy is just a little too busy feeling sorry for himself. Maybe he should have asked some of the multitudes of women who face issues of abandonment how they somehow manage to deal with it and keep their families together before he took the easy way out and threw his kids away.
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Re: "Human" Shelters
[Re: susan tuck ]
#210936 - 09/27/2008 03:01 PM |
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I understand that that poor man was going through hell on earth and I do feel some empathy for him.
However I feel a lot more for the children who not only lost their mother, but had their father literally walk away from them.
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Re: "Human" Shelters
[Re: Aaron Myracle ]
#210942 - 09/27/2008 05:39 PM |
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Perhaps CPS can provide this guy with some grief counseling and other support services like child care, parenting classes and after-school activities for the kids; perhaps with that additional support, he may be able to adjust to his dramatically changed circumstances.
Just my two cents.
I should've narrowed my quote down earlier.
Maybe I'm too optimistic of human nature.
Since I don't have an ear in on the actual situation, only what the news has given us, I was going on emotion and hoping that maybe this was just one moment in time. That with help and resources that someone not in their right mind would know were available, a better solution could be found.
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