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[Re: Carol Boche ]
#214945 - 11/05/2008 06:42 PM |
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I work for a company handling live animal cargo arrangements and if you are sending it with in the US the only requirement, 1) is a veterinary health certificate less then 10 days old and 2) valid rabies vaccination.
Rabies is only required if the dog or cat has reached the age where the vaccination is required by law for that particular state.
Carol may have run into an airline cargo facility that requires vacinations, but it is not required by the USDA or CDC or any major domestic airline.
International shipping is completely different though. Coming into the US the requirements are the same as domestic shipping (for almost all countries).
What airline is is the breeder using?
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[Re: Aaron Myracle ]
#214946 - 11/05/2008 06:42 PM |
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I have heard of vaccinosis in puppies, but not nearly as often as older dogs. If the dog was going to have an adverse reaction to the vaccines, it would probably be evident before or immediately after you brought the pup home, which would still put you within the time-frame of returning the pup for a healthy one.
Unfortunately vaccinosis can take many forms and can take weeks or months to actually show up. An adverse reaction is different than vaccinosis.
this fact is why many vets are oblivious to the long term dangers of vaccines.
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[Re: Jonathan DeLuna ]
#214948 - 11/05/2008 06:50 PM |
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I have used four different airlines and am told that current vaccines, rabies and a health certificate were needed each time I called to either ship a dog out or receive a dog in.
Three of the four checked my paperwork.
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[Re: Carol Boche ]
#214950 - 11/05/2008 06:59 PM |
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and, will a vet (or 'most" vets) issue a health certificate w/o the animal being UTD on vaccines? i mean, come on, they have to play the CYA game or put their license to practise in jeopardy.
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[Re: Carol Boche ]
#214961 - 11/05/2008 07:42 PM |
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I have used four different airlines and am told that current vaccines, rabies and a health certificate were needed each time I called to either ship a dog out or receive a dog in.
Three of the four checked my paperwork.
Again, we are talking about an 8 week old puppy. NO state requires a rabies vaccine for a pup of that age. The other vaccines are not required by ANY state regardless of the age of the dog.
Having shipped several hundred dogs and puppies, I consider myself well versed on this topic.
Even adult dogs only are required to have Rabies vaccinations, no other vaccinations are required by the airline OR any state.
By the way, what an airline employee tells you varies from call to call depending on the knowledge of the person answering the phone. Checking the paperwork always happens when I ship dogs, but I NEVER vaccinate puppies before I ship and I have NEVER had a problem. I have used Delta, Northwest, Continental, United and American airlines over the last 5 years.
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#214963 - 11/05/2008 07:44 PM |
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and, will a vet (or 'most" vets) issue a health certificate w/o the animal being UTD on vaccines? i mean, come on, they have to play the CYA game or put their license to practise in jeopardy.
A puppy isn't required to have a rabies vaccination at 8 weeks, so they are not putting their license in jeopardy.
If my vet tried to get me to vaccinate a puppy before I put it on a plane I would walk out of the office with the puppy and spend my money elsewhere. For a vet to tell you that a pup MUST be vaccinated to fly is wrong.
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[Re: Vito Anasto ]
#214966 - 11/05/2008 07:47 PM |
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The vet I spoke to believes this is way too young to vaccinate and he doesn't vaccinate until 12-14 weeks. Since I do not know which pup in the litter I am getting I can't even ask the breeder not to vaccinate my pup.
Any advice?
How harmful do you think just those vaccines could be for the pup?
I absolutely agree with this vet! Call the newspapers, Cindy agrees with a vet! 
Your vet is correct about 7 weeks being too young to vaccinate. I advise people who write to me for advise about vaccinations for their puppies to wait until 12-14 weeks if they feel the need to give shots. Maternal immunity is typically still protecting the puppy until this point.
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Re: New pup need help
[Re: Carol Boche ]
#214968 - 11/05/2008 08:00 PM |
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An 8 week old puppy only needs a health certificate.
Some variable can occur with older dogs and this may be due to a zoonosis issue within your area. However none of the airlines require vaccinations except rabies, unless the CDC or USDA has directed them to require certain vaccinations or it falls under appilcable state laws.
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_welfare/pet_travel/pet_travel_basics.shtml
There are link to the major airlines that ship pets at the bottom of the page and none require additional vaccinations unless required by law. On this page you can see that all that is needed to enter the US is a rabies vaccination, a health certificate is not even needed. Continental infact reccomends against vaccinating a puppy less then 3 days prior to transport due to the stress the vaccination causes on the dog and the stress of transport.
Veterinarians issue health certificates on a frequent basis without any additional vaccintations besides rabies. I think you would be suprised how many people have invalid vaccinations if any at all.
Edited by Jonathan DeLuna (11/05/2008 08:03 PM)
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[Re: Jonathan DeLuna ]
#214972 - 11/05/2008 08:12 PM |
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OK so he doesnt NEED vaccines but does the shipping, airport, and cargo expose him to anything that he should be vaccinated for before he is shipped?
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[Re: Vito Anasto ]
#214980 - 11/05/2008 08:44 PM |
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OK so he doesnt NEED vaccines but does the shipping, airport, and cargo expose him to anything that he should be vaccinated for before he is shipped?
That's impossible to know. He will be handled by baggage handlers, there could possibly be other animals around his kennel, etc..
The issue is whether vaccinating a puppy before a flight actually protects him or suppresses his already stressed immune system(leaving home and littermates, flying on a plane, new home) and makes him more susceptible to things in the environment.
this is where puppy and dog owners need to be educated on how and why vaccines work, and how they are willing to deal with the consequences of their choices. For me, I'd always rather deal with an illness the pup may pick up through natural exposure than risk suppressing their natural immunity given by mom's milk. I also have pretty extensive veterinary experience and can give meds, IV's and administer injections if necessary. I also recognize the first glimmer of illness or a puppy that is just "off".
It's a personal choice, and one that I encourage every animal owner to make according to what is comfortable for THEM.
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