 Re: Dog possessive about me to husband
[Re: Jenni Williams ]
#221282 - 12/23/2008 03:14 PM |
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Randy, I agree with you. I was trying to add something particular to your very correct suggestion. I apologize if I came off as saying you were not correct.
Michelle, this is exactly why Val and I were saying to NIP IT IN THE BUD. Give him as clear an idea of what is acceptable as possible, so he doesn't get accidentally rewarded and end up being a "problem dog" b/c at this point, he's not.
I fell victim to my sidetrack tendencies when someone says something that I feel needs clarification...so I wanted to reiterate that this has the potential to be a big deal if not fixed ASAP...luckily, the OP seems well aware of that and I think it sounds like she's already on the right track (booting dogs from bedroom, etc.)
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Re: Dog possessive about me to husband
[Re: Jenni Williams ]
#221283 - 12/23/2008 03:24 PM |
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So I suppose I agree with Randy and Steve...yup a pack structure issue, and here is the point Jenni is trying to make the OP see, with this dog the relevance to his breed makes the solution a little more strategic, if he were a guardian IMO the solution would be a bit more "straight forward", what I think is important as well as the pack structure issue is the "guardian" behavior, which in this breed of dog IMO is misplaced and not the norm, so KNOWING this can guide an effective solution. PBs are bred to be submissive to PEOPLE, if this dog is showing outward signs of not being submissive, something you would expect and consider normal in a guardian, a reaction in a well thought out way is in order. Use the fact that PBs are inherently people pleasers...move away from the "guarding" while the OP sleeps, IMO it is misplaced and easily corrected. OK did you notice how many times I said IMO...did the message get through....I hope. I agree with Jenni that pack structure does not appear to be a problem for this dog when the OP is with her family, it only when the dog sees her as vulnerable....this is not normal for the PB breed. But correctable if done immediately and with a strategic goal. As Jenni said, a different and clearly defined structure will solve this problem....ooops IMO. *hoping to inject humor here*
My PB watched me take a BEATING at the hands of a man much larger than me, and never raised a tooth to him.....most PB folks would say nicely bred Pit...terrible for a guardian.
Val
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Re: Dog possessive about me to husband
[Re: Jenni Williams ]
#221284 - 12/23/2008 03:34 PM |
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This is the context I was putting it in. As I read the OP she is looking to have this as a family, not single person dog. I think Randy's point about her husband being involved in some training is how I would approach this. I don't know anything about your history with psychos and stalkers.
The way you brought up your dog doing a bark and hold on your own mother as being acceptable if it's from A German Shepherd is the part I don't think is very helpful because even though I would fully agree with you on breed differences an off hand, flip comment like that can read differently to people.
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Re: Dog possessive about me to husband
[Re: steve strom ]
#221285 - 12/23/2008 03:51 PM |
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As I read the OP she is looking to have this as a family, not single person dog.
OK Steve I see where you are coming from, I did not read the dog as being a single person dog, I read it as a confused PB behaving like an ill trained PPD.
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Although my male generally has a good relationship with my husband, he gets VERY upset whenever my husband and I hug or play around (crying and running back and forth)- the more active we are (wrestling and laughing), the more upset he is. He is even worse if I am holding my 1yr old son at the time. We have tried having my husband ordering him to go lay down on his pillow (since it seems to be him he has a problem with), which works temporarily, although he usually has to repeat the command multiple times before he will stay. Even worse, If I am asleep he lays nearby and guards me
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The dog guards and gets upset, then growels under his breath. I am betting my bottom dollar he is confused. New rules, more family involvement and training that appeals to his breeds eagerness to please people.
Val
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Re: Dog possessive about me to husband
[Re: Valerie Tietz-Kelly ]
#221286 - 12/23/2008 03:58 PM |
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It's probably just slight differences in the way we read parts of posts Valerie. I'm not disagreeing with you at all.
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Re: Dog possessive about me to husband
[Re: steve strom ]
#221287 - 12/23/2008 04:12 PM |
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He doesn't sound like he has other major issues, so I don't really think this a huge problem PROVIDED YOU DO WHAT IS NECESSARY TO NIP IT IN THE BUD NOW. My oldest GSD is the same way. He doesn't care who you are or even if he likes you under normal circumstances; if you are anywhere near me when I'm sleeping, or really sick (I have heart problems), he makes sure you aren't getting any closer. He did a great bark and hold to my mother who tried to walk into my room the day I got out of the hospital. If I was feeling normal or awake, he'd have greeted her cheerfully. My Chihuahua does the same crying/running and eventually growling. It's not the dog, per se, it's the situation. Your dog thinks he's doing the right thing, I'd bet my last dollar.
Not to say any of this is good, but I do think it's normal. Your playing around/wrestling is making him nervous that you're going to get hurt; the fact that he's crying and running back and forth makes me this is what it is and not outright dominance. Also, you say it is worse when you have your little son. I, personally, would crate him in a quiet room if you're going to be doing that; why upset him and even chance that he could escalate the behavior?
It's great that you already kicked him out of the bedroom. A low growl is a warning....he's not being submissive. Please try not to over-analyze and instead just take precautions to make sure this good dog doesn't end up having problem behaviors that are much harder to fix.
To reiterate...your dog is normal, unless there things you're leaving out. He needs to understand that he is 4th in rank...you, your husband, your son, THEN him. I don't think you will have too many issues w/this if you are religious about removing him from the scene BEFORE he gets upset to the point he will growl. I think Randy's point about her husband being involved in some training is how I would approach this. I don't know anything about your history with psychos and stalkers.
The way you brought up your dog doing a bark and hold on your own mother as being acceptable if it's from A German Shepherd is the part I don't think is very helpful because even though I would fully agree with you on breed differences an off hand, flip comment like that can read differently to people.
There was no "flip comment," as you can see by reading my posts again, esp. my original one I quoted. You blended 2 posts, which is fine, but not when you go back and call content in 2 rather carefully worded (I tried, anyway) posts a not very helpful "flip comment". And again, you're making it a bit dramatic with the "own mother" stuff. To him, my mother was someone he didn't ever remember meeting, and who entered my home and room while I was extremely vulnerable in his eyes. He has been trained to defer to me UNLESS I am physically or otherwise incapacitated.
I never brought up breed differences and acceptable behavior in my original post where I mentioned that example.
I'm not talking about MY personal history, LOL. I'm trying to state that different people have different needs/wants in a dog, and that affects what they deem acceptable, and what is acceptable for you would not be acceptable to me, necessarily. I don't think this is pertinent in the OP's situation, anyhow. If you want to hash out semantics via PM, feel free, but this back-and-forth is not helping Rebecca. Maybe Caleb's a monster and I'm an idiot...tell it to me in private.
I quoted my earlier post b/c clearly parts were missed or misunderstood or misinterpreted...or miswritten, LOL. I "get" what Val is saying 100% and I agree w/her, as usual, lol.
This dog is confused. Not bad, not dominant (necessarily), not a lost cause. I am confident that the OP will do right by this dog and stop this from escalating to a more serious problem.
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Re: Dog possessive about me to husband
[Re: steve strom ]
#221289 - 12/23/2008 04:19 PM |
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Val,
I'm not really debating, it's only what I've done under similar circumstances.
I'm not really familiar with the bully breeds, but I assume, they, like any other canidae recognize a pack.
My suggestion for bringing the husband into the pack (so to speak)is probably only one of many that could be offered.(and if I thought of it, it is simple!)
But you're right, I know absolutely nothing about the Bully breed. And maybe I'm way out of my league addressing them.
Randy
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Re: Dog possessive about me to husband
[Re: Jenni Williams ]
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Re: Dog possessive about me to husband
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#221292 - 12/23/2008 04:23 PM |
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Randy, we both agree with you! LOL! No one was saying you are out of your league!
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Re: Dog possessive about me to husband
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#221294 - 12/23/2008 04:24 PM |
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Oh come on Jenni,
This is where it gets interesting!
Let's keep this in the open!
Randy
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Posted after you and Steve decided to go underground.
Edited by randy allen (12/23/2008 04:27 PM)
Edit reason: PS
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