 Re: Mastiff dominant towards some dogs
[Re: Lynne Barrows ]
#222976 - 01/08/2009 11:28 AM |
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Lynne, Can you clarify the comment about not using the prong as correction for dog aggression? I use the prong collar on our walks specifically to be able to handle him when encounter other dogs. My opinion, is I would not feel comfortable about taking him out with just a DD collar - the prong gives me so much more control. What am I missing?
(sorry craig - didn't mean to horn in on your thread but just wanted clarification)
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Re: Mastiff dominant towards some dogs
[Re: Lori Jacobs ]
#222978 - 01/08/2009 11:32 AM |
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Corrections for aggression with prong collars, can, if mis-timed, accelerate/accerbate the aggressive behaviour, not stop it.
....not speaking for Lynne, but that's often why I see people recommend not using prongs for aggression.
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Re: Mastiff dominant towards some dogs
[Re: Lori Jacobs ]
#222979 - 01/08/2009 11:32 AM |
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Not to speak for Lynne, but the general consensus on prong collars for aggressive dogs is that if not timed properly, a prong collar can actually put more drive into the dog rather than taking drive out, and cause the dog to become even more reactive and hectic.
Using a prong on a reactive dog takes finess and timing, so as a general rule of thumb, many people shy away from recommending it for a novice dog person.
Edited by (01/08/2009 11:33 AM)
Edit reason: Jennifer and I posted at the same time.
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Re: Mastiff dominant towards some dogs
[Re: Lori Jacobs ]
#222983 - 01/08/2009 11:39 AM |
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Lori, I am not speaking of this from firsthand knowledge, but my understanding is that if your dog has fixated on another dog and is showing signs of aggression, and you correct the dog with a prong (ie a pop on the leash), the dog may associate the correction with the other dog. This would only increase the dog's aggression toward other dogs.
I too always use a prong when I walk my 90lb dog. When we see other dogs I always keep moving forward and I will distract her, if neccessary, by some other means. I don't give a prong correction...
My dog is not dog-aggressive, but I don't allow her to be close enough to other dogs for it to be an issue...
(ditto what Alyssa said...I don't trust my timing to give a prong correction in that situation)
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Re: Mastiff dominant towards some dogs
[Re: Lynne Barrows ]
#222986 - 01/08/2009 11:48 AM |
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Ok so then am I doing this wrong? For example, when we encounter another dog, I will watch him, the moment I see him look at the other dog I say no and if he does not respond to my voice I give a correction to try to put his attention back on me. I do keep moving when I can and just keep our distance. I will definitely be the one who will decide to reroute down into the grass off the sidewalk before I would even attempt to pass them by on the sidewalk. The other day we came up behind someone as we crossed the street so I just had him sit down until they moved farther ahead. He did stare so I tried to distract with tug didn't work so I pulled out the simon and hueys and he decided that was more interesting.
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Re: Mastiff dominant towards some dogs
[Re: Lori Jacobs ]
#222987 - 01/08/2009 11:50 AM |
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It sounds like your timing is great- you read your dog well and your approach to this is very good. I also read you have a back-up collar on him, so all-in-all, I think you're just fine.
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Re: Mastiff dominant towards some dogs
[Re: Craig MacElhiney ]
#222988 - 01/08/2009 11:50 AM |
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The sheer size of your dog makes this all more difficult. I'm going to suggest you email Ed and Cindy for some direction.
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Re: Mastiff dominant towards some dogs
[Re: steve strom ]
#222989 - 01/08/2009 12:01 PM |
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Even if not for the size, I keep picturing another dog who does NOT "submit" when this dog "pounces and pins."
.... The problem is when he encounters a strange dog. I always keep about a fifteen foot distance from aproaching people with dogs because sometimes he decides to pounce and pin the dog down. Keep in mind he weighs 205 lbs and it takes a little distance to stop his initial lunge. He doesn't growl or bark as a warning he simply pins them down until they submit, then he is fine. He has actually done this to two dogs ....
This is sheer luck, IMO, that no fight ensued. And again, injuries (or death) resulting from such a fight would be the responsibility of this dog's owner. Humans trying to break up such a fight would be in harm's way, too.
I'm not trying to be harsh, and the dog sounds (mainly) terrific. But this is the reality.
And again, I would be extremely unhappy with someone who allowed their uncontrolled dog to "pin my dog until he submits."
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Re: Mastiff dominant towards some dogs
[Re: Aaron Myracle ]
#222991 - 01/08/2009 12:03 PM |
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Alyssa, thanks. I'm so glad I read and took the advice on using a back up DD collar. The other day when we got home I was drying his feet and belly and all the sudden his prong collar fell off his neck well not completely but was dangling from the leash. Whew! Glad it didn't happen on the walk. Even though I have the back up on there I probably would have freaked a little bit. You know it seems his neck re-sizes daily. One day it looks and feels too loose so I will take out a link then the next day when I put it on it seems to tight. Too tight as in he starts making noises. Weird.
Craig, didn't want to hijack your post. But I do think you should check out the prong collar info on this website. I know its helped me tremendously.
Lori
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Re: Mastiff dominant towards some dogs
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#222992 - 01/08/2009 12:04 PM |
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What Connie said. I can just picture this brute and my brute...only one dog would walk away from that. It's only been "ok" because no one has challenged this dog!
It does sound like a few dogs who were dominated were actually the ones out of control, since the OP's dog was tied in the camp incident. I also would never tie a dog like that; talk about building frustration and asking for trouble if another dog walks too close!
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