I have to agree with some here. Im not an expert but I think your puppy is too young for formal OB. Right now its supposed to be fun and true some "tougher" dogs may not lose drive but many do and then do not want to obey or "come" "sit" etc. Kane is 9 months now and he knows sit, platz, come, etc. But hes not yet corrected when he doesnt do it. I do use treats or toys sometimes when training and if I tell him to sit, and he doesnt sit I will stand there and wait for him to sit. The mintute he does...praise and treat or whatever you want to use. Hes always on a leash when I give him commands and he knows if he doesnt do them he gets to just stand there and do nothing when he could be playing. Also maybe training too long? Just reading the post sounded like it would be a chore to the dog, instead of a fun exercise.

I guess if you just want a pet and nothing more or your main goal is OB then formal OB might be ok (dont know) but I was taught no formal OB on a young puppy. All motivational, no compulsion.

Good Luck.

OK no complusion, but with the little bit that I did use she remembered and hit the down on the verbal command only praise no food in the clinch fist until she in position. She seems to do it with vigor both ways treat or none, hand signal or verbal. But only on leash.

Wouldn't that prove that she knows what I want, she just refuses to conceed at times. Like when she is off lease she won't do a down on the verbal but will with the hand signal expecting a treat and will do a sit.

Her recalls for some reason is back at the flying leap toward me again, and between my legs and behind me, then to a sit, in front of me. Wow the pup gots lots of energy, I think does things to tuant me.

I think she is just hard headed, when she fails the recall is when I want to put her up and she is off leash after doing something she likes.

She wants to stay out and play. Once I grab her collar she is pulling toward the gate if I release her she will run to the gate. If she wants to, she will do it on command "Go to the gate" and like a flash she takes off, say after a grooming. But after playing/bite work or a drive she just looks at you like, I'm not through yet.

Her sit and her stay before she is, release to eats is great only rarely will she break the stay to stick nose in the bowl, but she take a bite not until released.

My puzzle is she is smart as a whip, but only when she wanta be.

Tim I'm starting hear you, if they know the command then they are ignoring U. I don't think, she forgotten because she will do it on leash, the same day or minutes apart.

It takes a long time to do it the right way, I'll keep trying.

I say stop doing stuff off leash. Training takes time, keep doing it on leash. More reps of her dong it right is what you need. Take away her ability or desire to do it wrong.

Good point David, but what happens when the dogs off leash and informally you ask the dog to reply if she does it its a plus. If not then she is just not trained for off leash commands, I have to accept that.

Having a dog ignore you makes him think that he can ignore your command without recourses. Maybe I'll just keep a leash on her while I'm outside.