Re: Biting Puppy Alligator Thing
[Re: Aaron Myracle ]
#226338 - 02/03/2009 04:05 PM |
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Yes, I understand your points of view. Though it says the mom earns respect by growling and nipping the pup when he tries to steal her food. So wouldn't hitting it with a newspaper be just like nipping it? I am not talking about full on swing here, just a tap on the head, or whatever it takes for him to stop.
As far as redirecting I have tried. I have used some toys to try and get him to bite those but he always tries to skip the toy and go for my hand. As for the treats, he doesn't like any treats, he barely likes his food now, it isn't as important to him as playing that is for sure. He also doesn't care for petting. All he wants to do is play and sleep.
No I am not trolling. He is a beagle and he bites everyone every nearly every chance he gets. The only times he doesn't bite is when he is still curious what I am doing near him, ie. I just put my hand in his cage, or I picked him up to take him outside. Sometimes when he is very wound up he will bite even before he knows why I am there. I completely understand this is playful and he just wants to play games, but I don't want to play a game that involves me getting hurt lol, nor does my family.
Now someone said you can't train a puppy at that age. Is that really true? am I wasting my time trying to train him not to bite now? I was told by someone else that I should train him to get his attention off of biting. I am willing to do that, but is it time yet? And what can I use? I have nothing to offer him as a reward except playing and getting bit.
I have read what the website says about biting, grabbing him by the cheeks. My original question was asking if I should be more firm with that.
As for the videos and website items to buy, I live in Thailand and I can't afford the shipping costs, they will be outrageous.
Thank you everyone for your kind replies.
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Re: Biting Puppy Alligator Thing
[Re: Tyler Buth ]
#226340 - 02/03/2009 04:11 PM |
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Try using a toy attached to a long line. Almost like teasing a cat. Your hands are safely out of the way, and typically the jerky, quick movements are most enticing to dogs.
As far as the food goes, are you free-feeding? That'll usually cause a picky eater.
Dogs are learning from birth, but their attention span, memory, self-control and understanding are very weak at this age.
Consistancy and patience are paramount with a young dog.
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Re: Biting Puppy Alligator Thing
[Re: Aaron Myracle ]
#226341 - 02/03/2009 04:15 PM |
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Re: Biting Puppy Alligator Thing
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#226342 - 02/03/2009 04:17 PM |
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Hitting him with a newspaper is not the same as the mom nipping, the first difference being that there is already perfect trust and bonding between mom and pup, there is no fear involved.
There is a treat or toy that he will find more enticing then biting, try bits of chicken or beef for treats.
You need to build up his desire for toys by dragging a ball on a string, shaking a rag for him etc. You have to make the toys more interesting than your hands, a ball just sitting there isn't very fun.
He is not too young to train, he is too young to correct, there is a big difference.
If you truly can't find a toy that he will like better than chomping on you then I really would suggest removing yourself from him when he bites. He will figure out pretty quickly that when he is rough you go away, and what he wants more than anything is time and attention from you.
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Re: Biting Puppy Alligator Thing
[Re: Jennifer Lee ]
#226351 - 02/03/2009 05:15 PM |
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Yeah, I bought liver, beef, chicken, bacon and some other flavor treats. He doesn't like any of them. I wave a wash cloth in his face and all his toys. I try to work with him to see what he likes more. It seems he really enjoys when I put it in his face then pull it away quickly like I am claiming it, then he loves to jump at it and try to take it away from me. This works for a bit, but being the smart dog he is, he realizes that biting me allows him to claim the toy much quicker and easier than pulling it away from me. Or this is at least what I assume is his reason for biting me in that situation.
I will try the string method. I think though he will attack the string rather than the toy.
I have read most of the Questions and Answers, maybe these are different though than the ones I read so I will read those.
I don't think he will know what goes on with that whole leaving him alone. He bites when I take him out to pee, he bites when I play with him, he bites when I reach in to feed him. He is a very playful little bugger. If he only bit me once or twice throughout the day, then I think maybe leaving would work, because it might be a more memorable experience for him, however when he bites me like 50+ times all day on arms legs and feet when I am trying to take him out, then I don't think I can just remove myself from him.
An example is I was following this website potty training technique and taking the puppy out constantly throughout the day to do his business. I keep him on the leash and go out there. Sometimes he doesn't have to go or he just wants to play and go later, these times I spend maybe 10 mins before he finally goes, and during that 10 minutes he wants to sniff around, eat some dead leaves and then come and play with my very idle toes. Sometimes I walk with him so he has more range, then my toes aren't idle and are more fun looking, so he comes to bite them then too, and probably can get off a good bit and gnaw before I get down there to pull him off, pick him up, or ask him to stop. This happens quite often throughout the day. When I go down to pull him off he will obviously jump at my hand after pulling him off and start gnawing at my hand. He is very fast and agile when it comes to his jump attacks, I am quite impressed.
I am watching these videos of all these puppies and how they protect there bone and stuff, biting and everything. I can't imagine a tap with a newspaper on his head is going to scar him for life. I think I could kick him and he would think i was playing. I won't kick him... but I am just saying.
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Re: Biting Puppy Alligator Thing
[Re: Tyler Buth ]
#226369 - 02/03/2009 08:12 PM |
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"I read the website about puppies biting and being the pack leader. I have a new beagle puppy, 50 days old. I have had him now 2 days and the screaming in the cage is still there…"
Did anyone actually read this post? This pup is now 53 DAYS old according to the OP. See if your advice still applies.........
A 6 wk old puppy shouldn't even be away from it's mother. If this post is genuine and you're having this much trouble with a 6 wk old puppy you should give a lot of thought into rehoming the pup.
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Re: Biting Puppy Alligator Thing
[Re: Al Curbow ]
#226372 - 02/03/2009 08:46 PM |
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I thought I'd link to this article. It really does not address the specifics to the Op's problems, but it is a great way (IMO) to look at our relationships with our dogs.
Lots of times, I've re-read this article when I have been frustrated with my own dogs, or puppies, and it puts everything back into perspective.
http://pets-articles.blogspot.com/2008_10_01_archive.html
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Re: Biting Puppy Alligator Thing
[Re: Tracy R Touzjian ]
#226399 - 02/03/2009 11:32 PM |
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Ahh, good article. Makes sense.
Ok, if he isn't old enough to be trained not to bite, when is he old enough?
Another question, a bit off topic. It says I shouldn't reward him for crying in the cage, but I am potty training him, and just recently it seems when he is crying and I take him outside he goes to the bathroom right away, pooping to be precise. Could it be he is crying because he doesn't want to do his business in the cage? If this is the case then I am pretty much rewarding him for crying, but this kind of crying is ok to me :P Better than cleaning crap out of his cage. Should I keep taking him out when he cries loudly, on the off chance that he needs to do his business?
PS. I will put up a video later today to give everyone an idea of the biting I am talking about.
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Re: Biting Puppy Alligator Thing
[Re: Tyler Buth ]
#226400 - 02/04/2009 12:17 AM |
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You need to get to him before he starts crying.
Pay attention to how long he can "hold it", and get there about 30 minutes prior.
If he cries after two hours in the crate, then get to him after 1.5 hours.
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Re: Biting Puppy Alligator Thing
[Re: Aaron Myracle ]
#226404 - 02/04/2009 06:03 AM |
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Well, I can't really watch him all day while he is in his cage, so I don't know when he starts to need to go. I take him out when he wakes up, after meals, after naps (if I see), and before he goes to bed. Sometimes though he randomly will need to go, he will just jump onto his bars and cry. I have noticed today that also means he just wants to go out and play... so I can't see the difference. I can test it though by sticking my hand in the cage, if he tries to bite me then I think he wants to play, if he is more calm or tries to climb my arm then he might want to take a crap.
Anyways, I have the video of him now. It is quite long, I am not very good at editing. I also have tried being more aggressive with his toys, which works at getting his attention a bit more... sometimes. Through most of this video though he isn't biting me, so I am doing pretty good, there is only one part he wanted to bite me more than play with his toy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-jSJJcJTZE
Tyler
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