Aaron Myracle wrote 02/11/2009 10:58 PM Re: Rin tin tin... [Re: Melissa Thom ] #227265 - 02/11/2009 10:58 PM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	Quote: Melissa Thom Is there not room for differences of breeding goals within one breed? In short? No.
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Melissa Thom wrote 02/12/2009 12:10 AM Re: Rin tin tin... [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #227269 - 02/12/2009 12:10 AM
Melissa Thom Webboard User Reg: 12-04-2007 Posts: 2781 Loc: Upper Left hand corner, USA Offline	Quote: Alyssa Myracle  Quote: Melissa Thom Is there not room for differences of breeding goals within one breed? In short? No. I hope you're joking. I would think the divisions alone in the GSD would be proof that a different goal is ok and perhaps even ok to acknowledge.
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Aaron Myracle wrote 02/12/2009 12:18 AM Re: Rin tin tin... [Re: Melissa Thom ] #227271 - 02/12/2009 12:18 AM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	Those divisions are what has created the butt-dragging, hock-wobbling mess that parades across the green carpet, and claims to be a GSD. Breeders should have only one goal: The preservation of the breed, and it's ability to perform within the purpose of it's origination.
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Will Rambeau wrote 02/12/2009 12:24 AM Re: Rin tin tin... [Re: Melissa Thom ] #227273 - 02/12/2009 12:24 AM
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003 Posts: 5983 Loc: Idaho Offline	Quote: melissa thom  Quote: alyssa myracle  Quote: melissa thom Is there not room for differences of breeding goals within one breed? In short? No. I hope you're joking. I would think the divisions alone in the GSD would be proof that a different goal is ok and perhaps even ok to acknowledge. The divisions? You mean where the majority ( not all, but most ) of Showlines GSD's don't have the drives or physical ability to do what they were originally bred for? And don't even get me started about American AKC GSD's, or what we refer to as the "American Show Trotter". The Fetz dog: http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/79673/page/25
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Melissa Thom wrote 02/12/2009 01:11 AM Re: Rin tin tin... [Re: Will Rambeau ] #227276 - 02/12/2009 01:11 AM
Melissa Thom Webboard User Reg: 12-04-2007 Posts: 2781 Loc: Upper Left hand corner, USA Offline	Ok bring out the herding and droving GSDs then. After all police work wasn't in their original intent, guiding for the blind, therapy dogs, military work, I can go on... Did the people who started this work not have a goal a little different than a farmer? Why is family pet not an ok place to be for a dog who didn't make the assistance dog circuit? Seriously I don't like the butt draggers much either but I do accept that other people may not have the same goals I do, or you do. It's within their right to breed dogs as they see fit within the law just as it's within your right to choose to buy them or not. There are a number of breeds ( a couple of mine included) that no longer look like the dogs of 50 years ago. Some such as the papillon and golden retriever I reguard as improved. Others changed in ways that are debatable and set divisions within the breed such as labradors, jack russel terriers, and yep GSDs. Either way there were decisions made based upon goals of the time, some folks went along with it, others didn't.
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Aaron Myracle wrote 02/12/2009 01:14 AM Re: Rin tin tin... [Re: Melissa Thom ] #227277 - 02/12/2009 01:14 AM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	Danke goes for her HIC in March. Yay Ewetopia. There is nothing wrong with the family pet dog. Many dogs in a litter will only be suited for that. But you don't BREED with that as a goal. If a percentage of dogs in the best working litter will end up as pets, what percentage of dogs in a pet litter will end up suitable as... well... nothing? There is nothing wrong with pet dogs. Both of my Boxers were pets, nothing more. You don't set the bar LOW, in any endevour. And breeding for "pet quality" is doing just that. Breeding unsound animals (like those buttdraggers, and many other breeds) is a form of animal cruelty, IMO. It's less a matter of choice, and more a matter of ethics.
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Mary K.Pope wrote 02/12/2009 02:46 AM Re: Rin tin tin... [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #227278 - 02/12/2009 02:46 AM
Mary K.Pope Webboard User Reg: 08-24-2005 Posts: 361 Loc: Northern California Offline	Absolutely perfect answer. Nothing to add!!
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Michele McAtee wrote 02/12/2009 06:24 AM Re: Rin tin tin... [Re: Mary K.Pope ] #227280 - 02/12/2009 06:24 AM
Michele McAtee Webboard User Reg: 02-05-2006 Posts: 1121 Loc: Iowa City, Iowa Offline	I had a dog, MoJo who shared a set of Grandparents 4 gens. back with the rin=tin lines. I find it very interesting that on the RinTinTin IV, http://www.rintintin.com/compare.html if you look, there is a Olin? Busecker Schloss dog in there! What does that tell you? Lol.
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randy allen wrote 02/12/2009 09:38 AM Re: Rin tin tin... [Re: Melissa Thom ] #227287 - 02/12/2009 09:38 AM
randy allen Webboard User Reg: 08-30-2007 Posts: 3283 Loc: Offline	Melissa, You think you the golden has been improved in the last 50 years!!!???? If so, that explains a lot towards why you also think breeding the GSD outside the standard is oh hum okay. Randy
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Aaron Myracle wrote 02/12/2009 10:29 AM Re: Rin tin tin... [Re: randy allen ] #227302 - 02/12/2009 10:29 AM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	The difference between Natan (Leerburg's dog) and Odin (the dog in Rin Tin Tin IV's line) is that Natan proved his working ability over and over. Natan proved he was a true German Shepherd. Odin had nothing to demonstrate he was a worthy dog. 50 years of breeding (and probably improving the lines dramatically) took place between the birth of Odin and the birth of Natan.
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