 Re: Getting TIRED of the mouthing...
[Re: Barbara Schuler ]
#229287 - 02/27/2009 07:55 PM |
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Bo is 4 months, he too is mouthy, when he does it like an idiot, he goes in the crate. I try to follow Eds advice from the dvds. As soon as he acts stupid, crate. No yelling, just back to the crate. It seems to be working.
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Re: Getting TIRED of the mouthing...
[Re: Barbara Schuler ]
#229289 - 02/27/2009 08:02 PM |
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Barabara,
Theres nothing in the rulebook that says he shouldn't know what 'no' means.
While you want to give the dog room to grow and gain confidence, you can't let the dog dictate the terms of when and where. It's just a balancing act is all.
Have you talked to your training director at the club? What does he or she say?
Randy
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Re: Getting TIRED of the mouthing...
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#229301 - 02/27/2009 09:57 PM |
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Myself at seven months (and if I were aspiring to the ring), I'd say 'okay you want some play, here's the first thing to do: 'heel', 'sit', 'down', 'etc.' Then the tug game is played. It only takes about 10 mintues, and the dog has worked hard enough for the reward it's happy just to be with it.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Re: Getting TIRED of the mouthing...
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#229341 - 02/28/2009 05:55 AM |
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I can see how when the dog wants to play and is being a butt-head asking you to play by mouthing on you, that going through this routine of heel, sit, down, etc... which ends is play makes perfect sense. What I am not sure I agree with (but do realize many of you have forgotten more than I'll ever know about training...) is if he is disobeying me - walking away when I ask him to sit, down, etc... and then I go through this ten minute working routine to end up playing - I don't see how this lets him know I mean what I say and expect him to comply? WHEN is the dog supposed to learn that NO means NO and SIT means SIT?
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Re: Getting TIRED of the mouthing...
[Re: Barbara Schuler ]
#229344 - 02/28/2009 07:49 AM |
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Uhhh,
I'm confused now Barbara. The dog walks away on a command? Or do you mean the dog ignores the command and continues to push you?
A whole quick routine may only take ten mintues or so, but you can just work on a single thing for three or four mintues. Downs, sits, whatever.
You may groan inside at being interrupted, but keep it quick and upbeat so the dog can enjoy it. Play it like marker training; say your sittting at the computer, dog comes playing pushy pushy (have the reward handy), SIT. One two yeah yeah, Yes reward. You can gradually increase the time. So before you know it he gets pushy at an inconveint time, 'well hello Falcon, Sit'. Dog plops and waits expectantly while you finish what you're doing.
What ya think?
Randy
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Re: Getting TIRED of the mouthing...
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#229367 - 02/28/2009 12:15 PM |
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"Falcon is almost 7 months and has started "mouthing" my husband and I more often. If I tell him to sit and he not only doesn't sit but starts to walk away..."
Randy, he doesn't ALWAYS ignore the command - on the whole he is pretty good. 100% reliable if a treat is in hand, but as an example, if we are getting ready to go outside and I tell him to sit at the door and he doesn't want to, he will whine/fuss and turn and start to walk away. If at that time I gently take his collar in my hand to bring him back to the spot he was supposed to sit, that is when he will start mouthing my hand. THAT is the time I'm not sure it is appropriate to heel, sit, down and then play - does that make sense? In my mind he is deliberately ignoring a command (just being a seven month old dog I understand, but still obeying a command.)
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Re: Getting TIRED of the mouthing...
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#229384 - 02/28/2009 03:51 PM |
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Ultimately, a training directors advice is just that, advice.
You know your dog best, and you know what you will and won't accept, behaviorally.
We all make tons of mistakes with our first Schutzhund dog (ask Danke, she could probably name 10 I made today... and thats with coming from a MWD background, and being married to an accomplished PPD trainer).
If he doesn't want to sit at the door, he doesn't go out.
Simple. He walks away, put him in the crate for 30 mins, and then try again. It may take a few show-downs between the two of you, but eventually, the light will go on that he MUST obey, to get what HE wants.
Ultimately, all we really train our dogs to do, is manipulate US.
They manipulate us to get food, treats, affection, toys, the door opened, etc.
The question is, what behavior are we willing to be manipulated by: obnoxious whining, or a nice clean attentive sit at the door?
Stand your ground. Believe it or not, you CAN be more stubborn than a 7 mos old GSD. You have perspective on your side.
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Re: Getting TIRED of the mouthing...
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#229391 - 02/28/2009 05:00 PM |
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Yeah yeah,
That's the bottom line isn't it. Showing him how to get what he wants. And in the end you all come out on the same page, chapter, verse and wording!
It only seems like a long time Barbara.
If the time comes you've had enough, just put and leave his collar on him. Attach the leash before you get to the front door. He goes to put his mouth on you....you know how to deal.
Though I suspect at the moment ob is not high on the list from your training director. But as Alyssa said, you're the one that has to live with this animal.
My first choice though, show him the way.
Sorry I missed the beginning of the first post (head slap), I keyed on the pushy behavior.
If my dog isn't learning, I'm doing something wrong.
Randy
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Re: Getting TIRED of the mouthing...
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#229392 - 02/28/2009 05:04 PM |
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Hmmmm,
Treat in hand.
Does that mean you're still luring at 7 months?
Randy
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