Debbie Bruce wrote 03/19/2009 10:40 AM Re: Help for an Afghan stray [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #232037 - 03/19/2009 10:40 AM
Debbie Bruce Webboard User Reg: 08-23-2007 Posts: 1196 Loc: Centralia, Missouri Offline	A vet I asked about using tobacco to worm horses said it paralizes the worms so that they are passed through the gut. I don't know what the dose would be for a dog. I've always heard a "plug" for horses. But how big is a plug?
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Aaron Myracle wrote 03/19/2009 10:43 AM Re: Help for an Afghan stray [Re: Debbie Bruce ] #232038 - 03/19/2009 10:43 AM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	I wouldn't go the tobacco route. Tobacco works to deworm dogs (and everything else) because it gives them the runs like you wouldn't believe. Tobacco is poisonous to virtually all living things in large amounts, and when ingested causes explosive diarrhea. So, in that sense, yes it works to deworm dogs. But I wouldn't do it to a clearly weak, sick dog. Dehydration is already a concern and the pup is already having diarrhea issues. I wouldn't complicate matters- it may push the pup over the edge.
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Debbie Bruce wrote 03/19/2009 10:57 AM Re: Help for an Afghan stray [Re: Debbie Bruce ] #232048 - 03/19/2009 10:57 AM
Debbie Bruce Webboard User Reg: 08-23-2007 Posts: 1196 Loc: Centralia, Missouri Offline	If the pup has had diarhea there is a good chance she is dehydrated and the sub-Q fluids will help, if she is is not dehydrated you do not want to give extra fluids, it is very hard on the heart. You can check the hydration of the skin by pinching and twisting a fold on the neck or over the shoulders, it should immediatly pop back down.
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Becky Shilling wrote 03/19/2009 10:57 AM Re: Help for an Afghan stray [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #232049 - 03/19/2009 10:57 AM
Becky Shilling Webboard User Reg: 12-01-2005 Posts: 1009 Loc: OKC, Oklahoma Offline	Diatomaceous earth will work as an emergency wormer, but I don't know if you'll be able to get your hands on any of that in the field any more than strongid. http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/diatomaceous_earth.html
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Connie Sutherland wrote 03/19/2009 10:58 AM Re: Help for an Afghan stray [Re: Tracy R Touzjian ] #232050 - 03/19/2009 10:58 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Tracy R Touzjian Hey Brad, I did a quick search and came up with this... http://www.earthanimal.com/acatalog/petHealth_internalParasites.html Some people seem to have success using garlic to treat internal parasites naturally. I'm pretty sure that in large doses garlic can be toxic, so I hope someone else will weigh in on this! Yes, it is toxic to dogs -- at levels that are unpredictable.
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Tracy R Touzjian wrote 03/19/2009 10:59 AM Re: Help for an Afghan stray [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #232052 - 03/19/2009 10:59 AM
Tracy R Touzjian Webboard User Reg: 07-01-2006 Posts: 252 Loc: Offline	Thanks Connie! I'm glad you responded.
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Aaron Myracle wrote 03/19/2009 11:01 AM Re: Help for an Afghan stray [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #232053 - 03/19/2009 11:01 AM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	Quote: Alyssa Myracle Get one of the combat medics to run subcutaneous fluids into the pup. Additional info here: http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/ClientED/dog_fluids.aspx If the medic has lactated ringers, so much the better. It will help get the little pup's blood sugar up. Any of you dog medically-types know if Gatifloxacin (a human antibiotic carried by combat medics) is safe for use in canines? Apparently pennicillin is safe for dogs. I KNOW your medics have it. Now we just have to (that actually means CONNIE has to, )figure out the dosage. How much does the pup weigh?
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Aaron Myracle wrote 03/19/2009 11:12 AM Re: Help for an Afghan stray [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #232056 - 03/19/2009 11:12 AM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	The incredible, magical fantastic Connie sent me this link: http://www.terrierman.com/antibiotics.htm So Brad, here's my advised plan of action for you: 1) Check the pup for dehydration. If the pup is dehydrated (skin not loose and supple, cappilary refill of the gums delayed) find a medic to give subcutaneous fluids. 2) If the sub-q fluids don't begin making a difference within 24 hours, I'd find the most aggressive antibiotic I could find based on the link above, and start a regimine. Pick an antibiotic that you can get a two month supply of! Otherwise, you're just wasting your time. I know you're worried about taking a dog to a medic, but just go find a medic close to your age and rank, and ask him to come with you to check out your "buddy" who is embarrassed and refuses to go on the sickrolls. Once you get the medic back to where you're keeping the dog, tell 'em the truth and ask them to PLEASE help. Once they see the pup, they'll agree.
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Lindsay Janes wrote 03/19/2009 11:25 AM Re: Help for an Afghan stray [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #232062 - 03/19/2009 11:25 AM
Lindsay Janes Webboard User Reg: 10-24-2005 Posts: 749 Loc: Tucson, Az Offline	If they have MWD dogs in Afghanistan, are there any veterinarians to care for MWD dogs? Don't they have their own medical supplies for dogs? If dogs get hurt over there, how would they be care for? "It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"
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Aaron Myracle wrote 03/19/2009 11:43 AM Re: Help for an Afghan stray [Re: Lindsay Janes ] #232068 - 03/19/2009 11:43 AM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	Well, here's the deal with MWD Vets and stray dogs. TECHNICALLY, it's against policy to take in strays. Different commanders have different attitudes about the policy. Some look the other way, some don't. Ultimately, it is a violation of policy though, so soldiers that choose to take in and care for strays have to be careful. Where I was stationed, the Base Commander would order any strays or "mascots" to be picked up and destroyed. I personally "picked up and delivered for destruction" a dog myself. At least, that's what it says in the report. So, most MWD Vets aren't going to involve themselves in treating a stray. They get in BIG trouble. PLUS, they don't want the risk of transmitting a disease to one of the military's very expensive, very valuable MWDs. If they did, their head would roll. So yes, there are vets. Will they treat a stray? Probably not. Brad is between a rock and a hard place, because every time he asks for outside help for the pup, he risks getting in serious trouble.
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