Angela Burrell wrote 03/25/2009 04:23 PM Re: working with training quirks [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #233177 - 03/25/2009 04:23 PM
Angela Burrell Webboard User Reg: 05-10-2006 Posts: 2273 Loc: Ontario, Canada Offline	I say, "nope, try again" and he just goes faster. Sometimes he will kind of give up and stand there all confused. Sometimes I can lure him into doing something, such as sitting. He will do it great 3-4 times and get his click, treat, party. Then the 5th time he seems to forget what we were doing and goes back to his square 1 - backing up. Usually this happens when I try to remove the lure and see if he can perform on his own.
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Aaron Myracle wrote 03/25/2009 04:24 PM Re: working with training quirks [Re: Angela Burrell ] #233178 - 03/25/2009 04:24 PM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	There are certain behaviors that Danke does "too well". Platz is one. I taught sit through luring, but platz through marking. Platz is always her first "guess" when the treats come out. Her swiftness to throw her front feet out and literally dive to the ground is what caused the "pawing" phenomenon described earlier. Try changing the marker?
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Aaron Myracle wrote 03/25/2009 04:25 PM Re: working with training quirks [Re: Angela Burrell ] #233179 - 03/25/2009 04:25 PM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	Quote: Angela Burrell faster. Sometimes he will kind of give up and stand there all confused. Ooh! Mark THAT!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 03/25/2009 04:27 PM Re: working with training quirks [Re: Angela Burrell ] #233181 - 03/25/2009 04:27 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: angela burrell I say, "nope, try again" and he just goes faster. Sometimes he will kind of give up and stand there all confused. Sometimes I can lure him into doing something, such as sitting. He will do it great 3-4 times and get his click, treat, party. Then the 5th time he seems to forget what we were doing and goes back to his square 1 - backing up. Usually this happens when I try to remove the lure and see if he can perform on his own. I'd probably work on a couple of simple commands with him in a corner ... just to get that "ding" of "oh! I can do stuff without backing up!"
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Jennifer Lee wrote 03/25/2009 04:28 PM Re: working with training quirks [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #233183 - 03/25/2009 04:28 PM
Jennifer Lee Webboard User Reg: 12-16-2007 Posts: 2851 Loc: oklahoma Offline	Have you tried catching the behavior you want and clicking for it? I keep treats stashed in every room for this purpose. Like laying on the dog bed, or sitting nicely when company is here.
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Angela Burrell wrote 03/25/2009 04:30 PM Re: working with training quirks [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #233184 - 03/25/2009 04:30 PM
Angela Burrell Webboard User Reg: 05-10-2006 Posts: 2273 Loc: Ontario, Canada Offline	Changing the marker is a good idea. I've also decided to change my reward... I JUST received my leather tug in the mail today so hopefully he will like it, and he won't see/smell food and think it is backup time.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 03/25/2009 04:32 PM Re: working with training quirks [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #233186 - 03/25/2009 04:32 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: alyssa myracle There are certain behaviors that Danke does "too well". Platz is one. I taught sit through luring, but platz through marking. Platz is always her first "guess" when the treats come out. Her swiftness to throw her front feet out and literally dive to the ground is what caused the "pawing" phenomenon described earlier. Down is Leo's fallback offer too, when he is getting a little confused and random. Of course, unasked-for performance isn't marked/rewarded. But maybe also helpful is to keep rewards hidden until he knows for sure that unless you ask for the behavior, it won't be rewarded.
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Angela Burrell wrote 03/25/2009 04:33 PM Re: working with training quirks [Re: Jennifer Lee ] #233187 - 03/25/2009 04:33 PM
Angela Burrell Webboard User Reg: 05-10-2006 Posts: 2273 Loc: Ontario, Canada Offline	Jennifer, yes! that is one thing I am actually good at. This is what I use "yes" for and it means I am happy with the dog's current behaviour, but does not mean "end of behaviour here is your reward". It means to keep doing what they are doing such as laying calmly chewing their bone. That is a great suggestion and I think that too many people do not reward their dogs when they are performing a desired behaviour on their own.
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Jennifer Mullen wrote 03/25/2009 04:35 PM Re: working with training quirks [Re: Angela Burrell ] #233188 - 03/25/2009 04:35 PM
Jennifer Mullen Webboard User Reg: 08-16-2007 Posts: 2365 Loc: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Offline	What is the best way to work around over-anticipation around certain commands (when Luc is excited he starts downing b/c he starts to guess, like Leo and Danke). I usually walk away and re-start in another location to try to 'clear' everything. I also try to make sure that I'm not being too predictable in our training sessions. Anything else? Teagan and Neb don't do this, but Luc does. Teagan!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 03/25/2009 04:36 PM Re: working with training quirks [Re: Angela Burrell ] #233189 - 03/25/2009 04:36 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: angela burrell Jennifer, yes! that is one thing I am actually good at. This is what I use "yes" for and it means I am happy with the dog's current behaviour, but does not mean "end of behaviour here is your reward". It means to keep doing what they are doing such as laying calmly chewing their bone. That is a great suggestion and I think that too many people do not reward their dogs when they are performing a desired behaviour on their own. Wait a second, though. You mark for unasked-for but good stuff? I do say "good boys!" and pat or even treat when they are doing what I want them to be doing (no training going on). Much different (to me) from marking/rewarding a command.
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