Connie Sutherland wrote 04/10/2009 02:04 PM Re: Ready to add new protein - what is best? [Re: Peter Marek ] #235793 - 04/10/2009 02:04 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: peter marek ... I'll start with the ground meat as his poops are good but a little on the firm and dry side - so maybe a little more MM is in order. See? You are a poop expert already! He might be one whose best marker treats are (extremely simple) just tiny bits of ground poultry or tiny diced poultry breast, maybe some sprinkled lightly with that "parm" in a green cylinder-can, microwaved or oven-baked until the outside is easy for you to handle during marker work. The smell of the cooked outside makes it different from his meals and interesting to him. There are many excellent Leerburg meat-based marker rewards that I buy by the tub, and that you probably will too, but I'd wait with this guy until after he has been introduced to his whole basic diet.
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Peter Marek wrote 04/10/2009 02:56 PM Re: Ready to add new protein - what is best? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #235796 - 04/10/2009 02:56 PM
Peter Marek Webboard User Reg: 03-05-2009 Posts: 274 Loc: NJ, USA Offline	Excellent idea for marker treats! Again THANKS! (no I'm not yelling but providing emphasis - LOL) No, I am not an alien!
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Nora Ferrell wrote 04/10/2009 05:57 PM Re: Ready to add new protein - what is best? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #235817 - 04/10/2009 05:57 PM
Nora Ferrell Webboard User Reg: 02-10-2008 Posts: 727 Loc: Kentucky Offline	Quote: connie sutherland  Quote: peter marek ... I'll start with the ground meat as his poops are good but a little on the firm and dry side - so maybe a little more MM is in order. See? You are a poop expert already! He might be one whose best marker treats are (extremely simple) just tiny bits of ground poultry or tiny diced poultry breast, maybe some sprinkled lightly with that "parm" in a green cylinder-can, microwaved or oven-baked until the outside is easy for you to handle during marker work. The smell of the cooked outside makes it different from his meals and interesting to him. There are many excellent Leerburg meat-based marker rewards that I buy by the tub, and that you probably will too, but I'd wait with this guy until after he has been introduced to his whole basic diet. Connie, this would probably be a good time to share with Peter your extremely complicated recipe for chicken liver treats. With my little dog (the amounts are always so tiny) it works good for the organ meats for her.
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Peter Marek wrote 04/10/2009 08:25 PM Re: Ready to add new protein - what is best? [Re: Nora Ferrell ] #235827 - 04/10/2009 08:25 PM
Peter Marek Webboard User Reg: 03-05-2009 Posts: 274 Loc: NJ, USA Offline	Update: 2 hours after Kaiser ate chicken backs, chicken necks, and 1/4 cup ground beef - he started barking and wailing in his crate. Something he hadn't done site the first week he was here. I knew what that meant - he NEEDED to go outside. So, I took him outside and we had soft poop - somewhere inbetween pudding and water. I am attributing this to the introduction of 1/4 cup beef. My understanding is to continue down this path for the next couple days and see if he adjusts. If not to back off or try a different protein source. Am I correct in this understanding? Thanks. No, I am not an alien!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/10/2009 08:50 PM Re: Ready to add new protein - what is best? [Re: Peter Marek ] #235829 - 04/10/2009 08:50 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	No no. Go back to the last level and get perfect poops again and then add 1/8 cup of lean muscle meat instead of 1/4. I would also skip most of breakfast, maybe giving baited water and a half- or fourth-meal. I'm a little surprised. We have seen several problems with the fatty (80%) ground beef, but not so far with lean. It will all be fine. He is just one of those guys! As I said, I have one (and had another one in the past), and once I learned all about him (and her), we never had a problem. I was always so grateful that it was fresh food with controllable ingredients rather than kibble with no way to adjust the content.
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Peter Marek wrote 04/11/2009 06:43 AM Re: Ready to add new protein - what is best? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #235846 - 04/11/2009 06:43 AM
Peter Marek Webboard User Reg: 03-05-2009 Posts: 274 Loc: NJ, USA Offline	This morning his stool was perfect again. I'll cut back on the MM to 1/8 cup and see how he fares. I'll go lighter on breakfast as well. Updates later! No, I am not an alien!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/11/2009 11:11 AM Re: Ready to add new protein - what is best? [Re: Peter Marek ] #235857 - 04/11/2009 11:11 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	It's pretty cool how poop is the window on the soul. Well, on the gut, anyway. You really have the hang of it. That's pretty good for a new raw feeder AND one with a sensitive-gut lil guy!
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Will Rambeau wrote 04/11/2009 02:15 PM Re: Ready to add new protein - what is best? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #235873 - 04/11/2009 02:15 PM
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003 Posts: 5983 Loc: Idaho Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland It's pretty cool how poop is the window on the soul. Well, on the gut, anyway. Didn't I read that quote in one of Nietzsche's books? < waits for someone to get the joke...... > The Fetz dog: http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/79673/page/25
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/11/2009 03:16 PM Re: Ready to add new protein - what is best? [Re: Will Rambeau ] #235875 - 04/11/2009 03:16 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Gosh, I hope it's not the only window quote of his I can think of...... about "this window onto the world being so lovely that you have no desire to look through any other ..... "
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Peter Marek wrote 04/11/2009 06:12 PM Re: Ready to add new protein - what is best? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #235883 - 04/11/2009 06:12 PM
Peter Marek Webboard User Reg: 03-05-2009 Posts: 274 Loc: NJ, USA Offline	Update: Afternoon poop somewhat soft after 1/8 cup ground beef addition. So, dinner was the same as breakfast - taking it slow with 1/8 until "normal" then will bump to 1/4. Unless I'm mistaken, please someone correct me, I will continue down this path until he's up to 1/2 cup (or larger if recommended) ground beef. He's loving the raw food and his coat looks and feels awesome. No, I am not an alien!
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