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[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#239009 - 05/07/2009 01:18 PM |
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If it goes in the dog's tummy, it's food.
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If it goes in the dog's tummy, it's food.
Or maybe socks.
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Re: itching/scratching
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#239016 - 05/07/2009 01:42 PM |
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re: the peanut butter - I use PB to give Teagan her meds every day (less than you do though, maybe 1/2-1 tablespoon) and I don't factor it in to her total food amount.
Well, "factor in" is an issue only if there is a food issue (overweight, food sensitivities, etc.). Whether you "factor it in" or not, the dog is eating it, and it is part of his de facto diet, and it is particularly dense in calories.  Whether it matters is dependent on whether there is a food challenge of some sort.
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Re: itching/scratching
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#239017 - 05/07/2009 01:44 PM |
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re: the peanut butter - I use PB to give Teagan her meds every day (less than you do though, maybe 1/2-1 tablespoon) and I don't factor it in to her total food amount.
Well, "factor in" is an issue only if there is a food issue (overweight, food sensitivities, etc.). Whether you "factor it in" or not, the dog is eating it, and it is part of his diet. Whether it matters is dependent on whether there is a food challenge of some sort.
Agreed. I was thinking that it was known to not be an issue with respect to the itching/scratching....
Teagan!
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Re: itching/scratching
[Re: Mike Bellemare ]
#239019 - 05/07/2009 01:50 PM |
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so the itchiness is decreasing slowly with the increase in liver/egg/sardines in the diet.
he's also supplemented with Quercetone to ease the itchiness while the diet changes takes full effect (i was told it can take a while for diet to take effect).
My question (apart from is the above BS) is since i'm using peanut butter as a transport mechanism (one tablespoon) should that be factored in the daily food portion?
I took this to mean that the question was not asked as relating to the itchies.
But now I see what you mean, Jennifer. I was responding based on the dog's other (weight/not-eating) stuff.
I guess we need clarification from the O.P.
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[Re: Mike Bellemare ]
#239020 - 05/07/2009 01:54 PM |
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so the itchiness is decreasing slowly with the increase in liver/egg/sardines in the diet.
How bad is it now, Mike? Ears clear, etc.?
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[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#239047 - 05/07/2009 05:26 PM |
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i meant factor in like in do i need to remove some calories from the meals if i'm giving a tablespoon of PB everyday (organic PB mind you to reply to the quality comment  )
Connie: ears are a lot better, although they still get a little gunky, there is progression.
itchiness is down 50% at least...he still works medium on some specific spots on his paws (more forearm...or forepaws...hmm) but the vet said it was typical. Plus the more he scratches the more its itchy so i'm considering using Steve's tips about tea tree oil to give it a chance to heal...
forgot to add, the tongue is gaining in color as well and the paws don't look as try...
Edited by Mike Bellemare (05/07/2009 05:27 PM)
Edit reason: added comments on tongue and paws
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[Re: Mike Bellemare ]
#257672 - 11/25/2009 02:24 PM |
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so my dog is still itchy! A lot less but a lot still...
I went to see a derm vet and apparently i can go down two path, either its food based and i try to feed him something that he never had for 6 to 8 weeks (which is going to be a challenge, human flesh is probably the only meat i didnt serve him...come to think of it he had a taste of that too on my hands  )
anyone here had to do that too for food? that means giving up all the supplements?
other way is environment based, which i can give steroids to make sure it's the cause (to rule out food based) and then go for a needle session to determine what he is allergic to. not sure i like the idea of steroids on my 15months old dog!
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Re: itching/scratching
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#257674 - 11/25/2009 03:06 PM |
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so my dog is still itchy! A lot less but a lot still...
I went to see a derm vet and apparently i can go down two path, either its food based and i try to feed him something that he never had for 6 to 8 weeks (which is going to be a challenge, human flesh is probably the only meat i didnt serve him...come to think of it he had a taste of that too on my hands )
anyone here had to do that too for food? that means giving up all the supplements?
other way is environment based, which i can give steroids to make sure it's the cause (to rule out food based) and then go for a needle session to determine what he is allergic to. not sure i like the idea of steroids on my 15months old dog!
#1 for everyone else reading: ALWAYS reserve protein sources for this possibility. "Reserve" means the dog never has even a taste of it.
Where exactly does the dog concentrate when he scratches/bites himself? Was there any seasonal aspect to this?
You are actually receiving good advice, but maybe which way to lean can be narrowed down with these questions. I'm not a fan of unnecessary Pred, but oral Pred at the lowest effective dose, tapered off under the vet's supervision, is indeed a good way to rule out food allergies. First narrow the possibility down that it's atopy.
Atopy is more likely than food, but let's get the answers to these questions, and also make absolutely sure that you have ruled out flea hypersensitivity.
eta
How bad is it? Is he getting ear infections? Disturbed sleep? Frantic drawing-blood scratching/biting?
Edited by Connie Sutherland (11/25/2009 03:07 PM)
Edit reason: eta
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Re: itching/scratching
[Re: Mike Bellemare ]
#257676 - 11/25/2009 03:25 PM |
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Mike,
If you are worried about the side effects of steroids, you may want to ask the derm vet about Atopica. Atopica is a cyclosporine, still an immunosuppressant and has its side effects, but I chose　Atopica over steroids in treating my GSD for her skin allergy issues.
Atopica worked well for my GSD. The derm vet did said that since she responded well to Atopica, her allergy was environment based, not food related.
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