Michael_Wise wrote 04/27/2009 11:42 AM Re: When to switch to one feeding a day [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #237551 - 04/27/2009 11:42 AM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	I thought the jury was still out on bloat contributing factors.
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Aaron Myracle wrote 04/27/2009 11:48 AM Re: When to switch to one feeding a day [Re: Michael_Wise ] #237554 - 04/27/2009 11:48 AM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	There is anecdotal, statistical evidence to support the theory that large meals once a day increases the liklihood of bloat vs small meals, more than once a day. Without a long-term, double-blind study being conducted, there is no way to really analyze the apparent trends in bloat. We have no way of knowing if the feeding-style is just a coincidental (and unrelated) aspect of the bloat-striken dog's life, or if it was actually a causal factor. I can say that dogs fed more often, have less foamy vomit incidents. That should be indicative of something. What Connie said. (Somehow I missed this study... off to read!)
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/27/2009 11:49 AM Re: When to switch to one feeding a day [Re: Michael_Wise ] #237555 - 04/27/2009 11:49 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Michael_Wise I thought the jury was still out on bloat contributing factors. Not so much, really, since the Bloat Project.* It came out as a common factor (having recently eaten a large meal, as a one-meal-per-day dog). Of course, other factors were identified, too, and some are out of our control. But the ones that are within our control, those of us with bloat-vulnerable breeds, might as well be controlled, IMO. We can disregard the old notion about raised bowls, we can eschew one-meal-a-day feeding (or any gorging event), we can make a de-stressed atmosphere a goal, and we can avoid feeding all kibble, even if we are kibble feeders. *Oops. See below for which Bloat Project. Edited by Connie Sutherland (04/27/2009 12:14 PM) Edit reason: clarification
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JessicaKromer wrote 04/27/2009 11:55 AM Re: When to switch to one feeding a day [Re: Michael_Wise ] #237556 - 04/27/2009 11:55 AM
JessicaKromer Webboard User Reg: 10-28-2006 Posts: 991 Loc: CA Offline	Quote: Michael_Wise I thought the jury was still out on bloat contributing factors. Me too... I am currently a twice a day feeder since I have a pup, but in general I go once a day. I do lots of training both at club and at home. The home training days mean lots of training treats. If I were to subtract all of the weight for treats (Honest Kitchen/ground RMB mix made dry-ish), and then split it in half for two feedings, My dogs would look at me like I was nuts! Also, I run the Quinn daily and do NOT like to feed before of after this; not more than treats any way. (I used to, but he would throw-up, or get an upset stomach so we adjusted...) On training days, the are worked hard enough to warrant not feeding at all that morning or night (depending on the day). I also fast Quinn weekly. Edited by JessicaKromer (04/27/2009 11:56 AM) Edit reason: Oops! too slow, but I'll let it stand any way... Jessica
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Michael_Wise wrote 04/27/2009 12:05 PM Re: When to switch to one feeding a day [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #237559 - 04/27/2009 12:05 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland Not so much, really, since the Bloat Project. Purdue?
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/27/2009 12:08 PM Re: When to switch to one feeding a day [Re: JessicaKromer ] #237562 - 04/27/2009 12:08 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=12&Number=205755&Searchpage=1&Main=20335&Words=bloat+Connie+Sutherland&topic=0&Search=true#Post205755 http://www.ebloat.com/06/the-bloat-project.php Yes, Purdue did have and now has another Bloat Project. But I meant the gathering-of-anecdotal-info linked just above, which I imagine will be trumped by Glickman's current study. Who knows what the outcome will be .... I know lots of folks who feed both ways. A study by Purdue's Lawrence Glickman is still happening (a ten-year study). That study should be very useful. As I understand it, it does follow the practices of feeding one large v. two small meals, where the five-year study did not. (This is all memory, and I might be wrong. I can double-check later today.)
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/27/2009 12:16 PM Re: When to switch to one feeding a day [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #237567 - 04/27/2009 12:16 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Anyone who has had a dog bloat, with or without torsion, can add to a compilation of info here: http://www.ebloat.com/bloat-survey.html
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Cindy Easton Rhodes wrote 04/27/2009 01:25 PM Re: When to switch to one feeding a day [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #237608 - 04/27/2009 01:25 PM
Cindy Easton Rhodes Moderator Reg: 07-14-2001 Posts: 2069 Loc: Wisconsin Offline	So far I've never had a dog bloat *knock wood* I feed most dogs once a day, except puppies, thin dogs that need more calories/food volume than I feel is good to feed at one meal, and dogs on meds that require a small amount of food (i.e. Morgi the Corgi and her chinese herbs) I'm not going to address the wolves and gorging argument but a healthy dog's digestive tract is made to fill up with food and then be empty part of the time. They are not trickle feeders like horses and humans, and I find that my dogs seem to be more energetic and have more stamina for work when I'm not giving them 2 meals a day. Digestion takes a lot of energy. I don't know that there is a right or wrong way to feed dogs, it's basically what works for EACH dog and EACH owner. of the 8 dogs we have here right now, 2 are fed twice a day and the other 6 eat once a day. They'd all LOVE to eat twice Cindy cindyr@leerburg.com
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JessicaKromer wrote 04/27/2009 01:31 PM Re: When to switch to one feeding a day [Re: Cindy Easton Rhodes ] #237616 - 04/27/2009 01:31 PM
JessicaKromer Webboard User Reg: 10-28-2006 Posts: 991 Loc: CA Offline	Quote: Cindy Easton Rhodes They'd all LOVE to eat twice That is why I feed both twice right now... I can't stand the look on Quinns face when Hav get a juicy meal and he gets... nothing... He lays there with his big head on his paws and looks up at me while the pup is crunching happily away on a chicken Jessica
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Jennifer Mullen wrote 04/27/2009 01:49 PM Re: When to switch to one feeding a day [Re: JessicaKromer ] #237626 - 04/27/2009 01:49 PM
Jennifer Mullen Webboard User Reg: 08-16-2007 Posts: 2365 Loc: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Offline	I actually feed mine 1X/day to ease bloat concerns (in my mind), so that their heavy exercise is nowhere near their feeding time. Teagan!
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