Re: Correction with prong
[Re: steve strom ]
#239872 - 05/15/2009 11:11 AM |
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Hey Jo, with Lucy being older and you really not having a way to know what if any training she's ever had I'd take it easy with the prong. I would use it gently and more in a way of guiding her then correcting her. Gentle, kinda easy pops like a tap on the shoulder getting her attention.
Tap on the shoulder is good visual. Yeah, I don't think she is being willfull. She does fine MOST of the time, then, brakes on, skids to a stop, and off her nose goes which is followed by her body. It wouldn't be so bad if I weren't walking "head up, shoulders back, eyes forward, meaningful stride" (paraphrase Miss Connie...:smile ![:) smiley for :)](http://leerburg.com/forums/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif) I am glad I live in the country and people can't see a 25 lb beagle pull a 130 lb woman into the ditch...LOL.
I actually can't imagine giving her a level 10 (which I keep picturing as bringing a dog close to being on his "knees" begging forgiveness). I mean ever. I think that would completely break her and/or destroy any relationship we have.
So, nudging and tapping without nagging...but fair and consistent...and only when needed by her and not wanted by me.
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PS...I can safely say the only training she had was at the Humane Society and that was "the refrigerator holds yummies". Everything else, nada. I am starting absolutely from scratch.
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Re: Correction with prong
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#239873 - 05/15/2009 11:20 AM |
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How about a long line so she can have a little bit of that.
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Re: Correction with prong
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#239874 - 05/15/2009 11:31 AM |
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Okay, so I go back to walking her with a long line (I don't have a problem with that) and then walk a little and let her wander Indiana a little (a "walk" command and a "find" command?) and maybe she will get it?
I have been trying to train for a heel on a dog that isn't going to compete. Okay, in fact, that is unfair to her. So, Steve, yes, I will go back to a long line in the country and put her 6 ft leash on her when we wander the city (no pressure from strangers or dogs where we go), but keep the long line with us for those moments she can sniff.
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Re: Correction with prong
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#239875 - 05/15/2009 11:36 AM |
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It's not that heeling is unfair, you can teach it to her. But I think a release from it is helpful to teaching it. It helps make heeling less stressful if that makes sense.
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Re: Correction with prong
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#239877 - 05/15/2009 11:40 AM |
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Actually it does, and now thinking about it, she is like having a puppy...she may be "mature" but she doesn't know anything. Well, sit, she likes that because she does it so pretty!
That's what I mean by unfair. I have been treating her as an "adult" dog when in fact, she is a "puppy" in every sense but age.
And, yes, I do understand how it would make heeling less stressful. Thanks, Steve.
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Re: Correction with prong
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#239889 - 05/15/2009 12:34 PM |
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In regards to a "release".
I think all commands should have a start and an end - the end being the release.
So, "let's go" (for a nice walk)....walking....walking...ok I think I want to let him pee.."OK".. released...dog does his business..."Let's go".....
At least that is how it works for me.
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Re: Correction with prong
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#239890 - 05/15/2009 12:44 PM |
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Good lord, all this makes sense and makes me wonder how I trained all these decades....AAAAAHHHH.....
Poor poor confused critters....
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Re: Correction with prong
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#239893 - 05/15/2009 12:47 PM |
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One small point probably not important with Lucy. I'd use free instead of ok. I've said OK at the wrong time and had Andy pee on someone.
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Re: Correction with prong
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#239895 - 05/15/2009 12:50 PM |
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Steve - GREAT point - ok (NO don't pee, I meant...) I have to change to FREE now - makes a LOT of sense espeically if you dog is "behaving" and you are talking and out slips "OK". Dog - is free then. Yes, better to say FREE.
Perfect! Thanks Steve.
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Re: Correction with prong
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#239896 - 05/15/2009 12:55 PM |
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Gotcha! Thanks, and I do have a male dog....
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