Re: diarrhea question
[Re: Peter Marek ]
#238760 - 05/05/2009 06:01 PM |
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This sounds like a case of a carb intake, overload. Rice and corn (especially brewers rice) in dog food should be a no, no. Dogs cannot digest both these ingredients and it's usually bottom of the barrel crap.
Mixing dry and kibble isn't always necessary a bad thing - Depending on the moisture content and protein content of both products that have a greater or lesser value of each, the food can easily be fed and tolerated. Just have to make sure the dog CAN tolerate it - know what the ingredients are and know how many nutrients should be used in your dogs current weight mass.
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Re: diarrhea question
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#238765 - 05/05/2009 06:16 PM |
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... Mixing dry and kibble isn't always necessary a bad thing ...
Dry what and kibble?
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Re: diarrhea question
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#238786 - 05/05/2009 07:22 PM |
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My bad, typo lol. I meant to put wet and dry. I got kibble on the mind right now.
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Re: diarrhea question
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Wet and kibble is fine, its raw with kibble that can be a problem
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Re: diarrhea question
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#238789 - 05/05/2009 07:35 PM |
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My bad, typo lol. I meant to put wet and dry. I got kibble on the mind right now.
Ah.
As Jennifer posts, it wasn't that combo that the responders were concerned about.
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Re: diarrhea question
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#238790 - 05/05/2009 07:36 PM |
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Dependent upon the ingredients - yes and no. Grain kibble with meal ingredients mixed with a raw product with high moisture and water content would be a complete no.
It's dependent on the ingredient and nutrition contents of each product.
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Re: diarrhea question
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#238792 - 05/05/2009 07:41 PM |
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My bad, typo lol. I meant to put wet and dry. I got kibble on the mind right now.
Ah.
As Jennifer posts, it wasn't that combo that the responders were concerned about.
My fault again, I have a pup on the way - trying to sort out nutrition for my self and the pup food I'll be feeding
Yes but the fact that ingredients in the food could lead to upset digestion and diarrhea.
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Re: diarrhea question
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#238794 - 05/05/2009 07:48 PM |
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Dependent upon the ingredients - yes and no. Grain kibble with meal ingredients mixed with a raw product with high moisture and water content would be a complete no.
It's dependent on the ingredient and nutrition contents of each product.
1. "Meal ingredients"?
2. Raw food has a high water content. Not sure what a "raw product" is, unless you mean commercially packaged raw diets?
3. While many dogs do fine with a mixture of raw and kibble, I think it's a bad idea. Period. One of the major defenses the dog has against food pathogens is his short fast digestive system. Slowing down the raw food's passage with kibble gives the pathogens in raw food time to colonize.
4. Grain-heavy kibble is not appropriate for a dog, regardless of whether it's mixed with raw or wet or anything else.
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Re: diarrhea question
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#238795 - 05/05/2009 07:59 PM |
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Dependent upon the ingredients - yes and no. Grain kibble with meal ingredients mixed with a raw product with high moisture and water content would be a complete no.
It's dependent on the ingredient and nutrition contents of each product.
1. "Meal ingredients"?
2. Raw food has a high water content. Not sure what a "raw product" is, unless you mean commercially packaged raw diets?
3. While many dogs do fine with a mixture of raw and kibble, I think it's a bad idea. Period. One of the major defenses the dog has against food pathogens is his short fast digestive system. Slowing down the raw food's passage with kibble gives the pathogens in raw food time to colonize.
4. Grain-heavy kibble is not appropriate for a dog, regardless of whether it's mixed with raw or wet or anything else.
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1. "Meal ingredients"? - A form of by-products, that are dehydrated melted and made into a powder substance. This is then put into all the ingredients to make the final product.
2. Raw food has a high water content. Not sure what a "raw product" is, unless you mean commercially packaged raw diets? - Yes 'mam, from what I got from the post I thought he had bought a Fresh Frozen food which is a raw product. There are some raw dog foods with less of a water content.
3. While many dogs do fine with a mixture of raw and kibble, I think it's a bad idea. Period. One of the major defenses the dog has against food pathogens is his short fast digestive system. Slowing down the raw food's passage with kibble gives the pathogens in raw food time to colonize. - Depending on the nutrition levels,ingredients in the food and tolerance in the dog, yes.
You can still serve a food that is mixed with proper nutrition and not up set the digestive process.
4. Grain-heavy kibble is not appropriate for a dog, regardless of whether it's mixed with raw or wet or anything else. ![;) smiley for ;)](http://leerburg.com/forums/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif) - Very true, there are kibbles that are grain free, though!
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Re: diarrhea question
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#238797 - 05/05/2009 08:09 PM |
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Yes, I know what meat meal is.
"Meal ingredients" threw me off. My bad.
The water content of the raw food has nothing to do with the objection to mixing it will kibble.
"Nutrition levels and ingredients in the food" don't really, either.
QUOTE: You can still serve a food that is mixed with proper nutrition and not up set the digestive process. END I don't know what this means.
The comments about mixing raw and kibble were based on the two different rates of digestion and the kibble causing the raw food to take longer to go through the dog than it would on its own, thereby giving any raw-food pathogens time to colonize. It's the colonizing and reproduction of these pathogens that cause e. coli, salmonella, etc. illness. Dogs have two defenses against this that humans do not: a more caustic stomach acid and a far shorter, faster digestive system.
Just as we would not give antacids to a raw-fed dog, I think we should also not cause the raw food's passage to be slowed in the dog's gut.
Yes, of course there are grain-free kibbles. If I fed kibble, I would definitely choose on of them. But I still would not mix it with raw food.
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