This subject has come up a few times here somewhat recently:
Thanks for these links. Particularly, the second thread was a good read. For me the take away from them is that Dr. Mech's research shows that pack structure may not be as rigid as some think. Also, I think Jennifer's comments on different packs behaving differently based on their environment are apt as are randy's on how little of the wolves growing months Dr. Mech observed.
Yes, I think LCK's statement of "facts" may not be as strong as he thinks they are. Even if LCK's interpretation of Dr. Mech's work are 100% correct; that doesn't necessarily apply to the dogs in our homes.
I'm not sure I'm up for revisiting that thread, but whatever the Dr.'s scope was, it isn't enough by any stretch. He gives himself far too much credit that isn't due.
Even casual observation of the canide provides clues to a pack mentality hard wired into the species. And admits so himself.
He thinks he pulls enough wieght to change the language that is spoken on how the pack is defined. Not on how the packs orientation comes about.
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I would love Cesar to play some of that "Alpha" stuff with some of our dogs.......tee hee hee
The blogger made some interesting points and I was never thrilled by the idea of you have to totally dominate and beat down a dog to get the results you want
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I would love Cesar to play some of that "Alpha" stuff with some of our dogs.......tee hee hee
The blogger made some interesting points and I was never thrilled by the idea of you have to totally dominate and beat down a dog to get the results you want
"Total domination and beat down" are not descriptions of the Cesar Millan I know.
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Who ever said anything about total domination or beating down a dog Dennis.
That has little to do with being leader or Alpha.
Randy
a little hyperbole on my part, I don't think startling and alpha rolling a dog makes for a permanent solution for aggression issues with dogs. Yes you have to get their attention and use correction but I found with my two working on focus and distraction with the help of others was much more effective. I don't think alpha rolls and sharp noises would of worked
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