Chuck Fantasia wrote 07/28/2002 04:10 PM Re: Stay command [Re: Chris Champion ] #21248 - 07/28/2002 04:10 PM
Chuck Fantasia Moderator Reg: 08-08-2001 Posts: 1174 Loc: NJ Offline	In the learning stage when teaching the down or sit, to keep the dog in the position without teaching a stay command you would have to continuously reward the dog while he remained in position. Then gradually increase the time between reward. Then when in the correction stage, you would simply correct the dog for relesing the position before being told. I teach a seperate stay command though. Different strokes for different folks.
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Todd E. Gaster wrote 07/28/2002 04:16 PM Re: Stay command [Re: Chris Champion ] #21249 - 07/28/2002 04:16 PM
Todd E. Gaster Webboard User Reg: 07-11-2001 Posts: 697 Loc: Offline	In the learning stage when teaching the down or sit, to keep the dog in the position without teaching a stay command you would have to continuously reward the dog with a treat while he remained in position. Are we talking pets here? If so I disagree completely. Why do I have to constantly reward my dog for sitting? If I tell it to and it does it gets the reward. Which incidentaly is my affection, good boy, good dog, good sit. Or a nice petting. No food. My affection is everything to the dog. If it gets up I simply usea bridge...uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh until I am able to put them back into the sit. I don't praise at this time, as the dog could misinterpret the praise was for getting up. I simply place them back into position. After 15 seconds I give my release 'take a break'. After two days of this in all kinds of situations I move up to 30 seconds under heavy distractions within a week I am at a minute under sever distractions. Without food, without collar corrections. With my affection. Todd E. Gaster Rolling Acres Shepherds http://www.rollingacresshepherds.com Gaster's Canine College, Inc. http://www.gasterscanine.com
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Chuck Fantasia wrote 07/28/2002 04:18 PM Re: Stay command [Re: Chris Champion ] #21250 - 07/28/2002 04:18 PM
Chuck Fantasia Moderator Reg: 08-08-2001 Posts: 1174 Loc: NJ Offline	What can I say Todd...you must be simply irresistable. :rolleyes: Let me say...I use treats in the VERY beginning and I get away from it as quickly as possible. I am a much bigger fan of praise myself. Hope that clarifies. Reward does not always mean food.
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Butch Crabtree wrote 07/28/2002 04:22 PM Re: Stay command [Re: Chris Champion ] #21251 - 07/28/2002 04:22 PM
Butch Crabtree Webboard User Reg: 01-14-2002 Posts: 966 Loc: louisiana/texas Offline	Vancamp said:I also never use a stay command when teaching another command. One word should be enough. Yes,We at least do that the same way. I guess that's why I used the stay for the other times I wanted to control his movement. Thanks, "So Much To Learn In So Little Time" Butch Crabtree kennel vom Avoyelles
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Bob Scott wrote 07/28/2002 04:37 PM Re: Stay command [Re: Chris Champion ] #21252 - 07/28/2002 04:37 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Butch The stay command, as a second command, is required in AKC Obd. As VanCamp said, not using it can mess with precision in competion, but that isn't the real world. If, or how you use it is dependant on your goals. "SO LITTLE TIME TO LEARN SO MUCH" Are you getting close? My green-eyed monster is surfacing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Butch Crabtree wrote 07/28/2002 04:50 PM Re: Stay command [Re: Chris Champion ] #21253 - 07/28/2002 04:50 PM
Butch Crabtree Webboard User Reg: 01-14-2002 Posts: 966 Loc: louisiana/texas Offline	Yep! Getting close. I will know after job interview this coming week. will it be YEA or not, will know soon. May turn out to be Yea one way or the other!! Butch Crabtree kennel vom Avoyelles
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KevinWood wrote 07/28/2002 05:55 PM Re: Stay command [Re: Chris Champion ] #21254 - 07/28/2002 05:55 PM
KevinWood Webboard User Reg: 07-14-2001 Posts: 61 Loc: Offline	Hello, train like you train retrievers the more you build the drive to retrieve the better your dog will be make him crazy to fetch or birdy if you want the higher the drive to fetch the more you can do with him and it will help when you make a mistake to redirect him so he will forget the bad and you can redo what you were trying to teach before the mistake was made. hope this helps. $@*!@#$
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Robert VanCamp wrote 07/28/2002 06:14 PM Re: Stay command [Re: Chris Champion ] #21255 - 07/28/2002 06:14 PM
Robert VanCamp Webboard User Reg: 11-28-2001 Posts: 3916 Loc: Offline	EarthDog wrote: "As VanCamp said, not using it can mess with precision in competion, but that isn't the real world." That isn't what I meant, I should have been more clear. First I don't do AKC obedience, it sucks. Second, I meant that using your competition commands in everyday situations with a competition dog (stand for example) can affect the dogs precision in performances because your exacting standards are not usually there when you are walking from the den to the kitchen to get another beer. I don't use the stay command at all, ever, for any reason. In the real world I use my foundation Schutzhund commands for the life of the dog, in home obedience and personal protection work. (follows competition and title training for me)
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Bob Scott wrote 07/28/2002 06:26 PM Re: Stay command [Re: Chris Champion ] #21256 - 07/28/2002 06:26 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	VanCamp I did understand what you said, I just didn't word it correctly. It does come out the same though. Competition language used daily, isn't the best for precision. At its top levels, AKC OBd can be good but the level of understanding dogs, compaired to sport,PPD,etc., at the lower levels, does quite often suck. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Bob Scott wrote 07/28/2002 06:56 PM Re: Stay command [Re: Chris Champion ] #21257 - 07/28/2002 06:56 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Didn't mean to put you in with the frustraited house dog owners VanCamp. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> That is a large percentage of lower level AKC "competitors". old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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