Re: Frost doing leg bites
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Re: Frost doing leg bites
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#243597 - 06/16/2009 12:37 AM |
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We should all be so fortunate to live life as one of Ingrid's dogs! Very nice.
LOL. Not always:
I am LOVIN this new insight into your home life, Ingrid!! And here I thought any tutu that touched Frost's back would surely incinerate on contact...!! Guess she's not ALWAYS a demon possessed... every girl's gotta have a soft side, right?!
No dog needed therapy after these photos though ;-)
No doubt! In fact, third dog to the left in the birthday photo (Poe?) looks downright smug to be at the dinner table with a paper hat on... front and center (Sinjin?), not so much.
~Natalya
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Re: Frost doing leg bites
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#243600 - 06/16/2009 02:41 AM |
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Not sure but can dogs develope PTSD? If so I would sugeest getting them checke out.
awsome dog!!!!!!
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Re: Frost doing leg bites
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#243639 - 06/16/2009 09:55 PM |
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Very nice. That last pic, is that considered a 3/4 bite or a full bite? (just curious. )
I would not consider it a full bite but she is just learning to bite the leg sleeve so I am not too concerned. It is a lot different than biting the arm sleeve both in feel of the sleeve and head positioning for the dog.
You are right Ingrid I wouldn't be to concerned at all. To have a ACD work a sleeve let alone a leg sleeve in prey drive is impressive considering the increasingly 'show' lines that seem to be out there. The only ACDs I have seen do bite work seem to have to be worked in heavy defense to bite or are very fearful and don't bite at all.
Sure in training a Ringsport dog you encourage the dog to go for a full grip but in French Ring (what I train) if 1 tooth is in the suit it is considered a 'bite' for point purposes. Your team only get penalized if the dog changes a grip or late or quick to out, but if it pushes (fuller grip) more into the bite it isn't a penalty.
Keep it fun for her Ingrid looks like you are having success. Are you going to try some Mondioring with her?
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Re: Frost doing leg bites
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#243644 - 06/17/2009 01:03 AM |
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Bwahahahaha!!!
Middle picture, middle dog. That about says it.
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Re: Frost doing leg bites
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#243653 - 06/17/2009 07:52 AM |
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You are right Ingrid I wouldn't be to concerned at all. To have a ACD work a sleeve let alone a leg sleeve in prey drive is impressive considering the increasingly 'show' lines that seem to be out there. The only ACDs I have seen do bite work seem to have to be worked in heavy defense to bite or are very fearful and don't bite at all.
Sure in training a Ringsport dog you encourage the dog to go for a full grip but in French Ring (what I train) if 1 tooth is in the suit it is considered a 'bite' for point purposes. Your team only get penalized if the dog changes a grip or late or quick to out, but if it pushes (fuller grip) more into the bite it isn't a penalty.
Keep it fun for her Ingrid looks like you are having success. Are you going to try some Mondioring with her?
Thanks Geoff! Fun is the name of the game for us. No ego involved here for me. I have ACDs that will humor me in bitework but don't love it so I don't do it with them. Frost is the type of dog that when the harness comes out I have a hard time restraining her to buckle it up
Actually, our club is considering doing some mondioring. We shall see if it happens. The jumps are pretty daunting for a dog Frost's size but I think that she could swing an MRI jump-wise based on my reading of the rules. She jumps 33 inches flat footed with no training so I think that she could probably handle the jump height level in the MRI. She is still pretty young so I am not pushing the jumping for any sport right now though.
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Re: Frost doing leg bites
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#243667 - 06/17/2009 01:07 PM |
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Mondio with an ACD sounds like a hoot. Again I wouldn't worry about the jumps like the bite work just keep it all fun for her. Even for a smaller dog i.e. my little Malinois bitch is 45lbs soaking wet. Her lighter weight actually helps her on the FR palisade off the wall and Mondio the palisade has a ramp to soften the landing with no return jump like in FR.
Most people in French Ring 1 do the hurdle, it's very common. But you can pick any jump though, I'm not sure about Mondio though. But I now want to do the broad jump as my Ring 1 jump. Once the dog hits the ground, the exercise is done, no return jump.
My girl does the basics to all 3 jumps. She does the hurdle during the off season at about .7 m, which is no points in trial, but she doesn't forget the jump mechanics doing it that way and we bring her back up to max Ring 1 @ 1M once we are on the field (I don't want to hurt her joints by going too high to fast), the palisade she does 1.9m, ring I max, but we use an A-frame for training, again safety.
I feel that the broad jump is the easiest on the dogs joints. They leap and bounce naturally, there is no real landing impact.
I do like to imprint all the jumps early, as you can't go back in time with your dogs. I'd start to work on jumps soon if you want to trial her in the future.
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Re: Frost doing leg bites
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Thanks for the insight Geoff. My reading of the mondio rules for the MRI is that it is like FR in that you only need to do one of the three jumps of your choosing. I never thought of the broad jump in the terms that you did and it gives me something to think on as I just assumed I would do the hurdle since it is the same height as in the SchH.
When you start the broad jump I assume you start out at a small length and build up? I have started the broad jump (a la AKC) since I need it in obedience but I only do around 30-35 inches right now. I have to see about making a mondio style broad jump. Does anyone know of plans out there to make one?
Speaking of Frost, as most of you know I show in AKC conformation because I want the judges to see dogs with brains. Today I showed Frost and she went to groups (Ok, nothing big there since she was the only ACD entered :-p) but here is a photo of her literally flying around the ring. Brains and beauty :-)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3340/3636614293_63ed177922_o.jpg
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Re: Frost doing leg bites
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#243718 - 06/18/2009 06:16 AM |
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Ingrid,
I am so amazed at your dogs...and Frost of course. They are the epitome of what breeding should be...doing a job they are supposed to do, looking better than they are supposed to, and actually being able to do something similar but off the beaten track of their "job titles".
Congratulations on your breeding program and on your little girl Frost. She is a winner!
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Re: Frost doing leg bites
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#244147 - 06/22/2009 01:54 PM |
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Thanks for the insight Geoff. My reading of the mondio rules for the MRI is that it is like FR in that you only need to do one of the three jumps of your choosing. I never thought of the broad jump in the terms that you did and it gives me something to think on as I just assumed I would do the hurdle since it is the same height as in the SchH.
Since I don't have access to a palisade or a long jump I concentrated on the hurdle since it was easiest to access and clear from a "what to do" standpoint for the dog.
Now that Sasha is ready to rock for Ring 2 I'm snookered. We have to make up all the jump foundation that I didn't do. She has no problem with the palisade up to 2.0m but the long jump she doesn't grasp yet as she keeps running through the fence part and stepping over the key. My coach says don't worry but I still find it frustrating as this is a dog that will fly 4m+ in the air to bite the decoy on the flee attack so we know physically she can do it.
When you start the broad jump I assume you start out at a small length and build up? I have started the broad jump (a la AKC) since I need it in obedience but I only do around 30-35 inches right now. I have to see about making a mondio style broad jump. Does anyone know of plans out there to make one?
The key part is the 'the key' the plywood rectangle. We are working Sasha's foundation for this jump with the 'key' angle up a bit with a couple of cones or the like so she won't run across it to get her motivational toy. No real length either just a couple of the PVC bars on the ground. That is where we are at right now. I assume you would train the AKC broad jump the same way.
As for plans for the broad jump the dimensions for all the jumps are in both the NARA and CRA rule books. For the FR Long jump it is on page #30. If you know a talented local fabricator it shouldn't be to hard for them to make something like this. http://www.canadianringsport.com/rulebook.htm
If you have an a-frame, start with that as your palisade, train the exercise, don't worry about it being vertical. Get the positioning of the dog and handler. Once you have that, and the dog does it completely, forward, stay, return to heel, handler not screwing up, then increase the angle.
Same with the hurdle, a 1m SchH is plenty for ring 1, to get the exercise perfected. I also like to use agility jumps just so the dog sees the PVC cross bars even though you can't get the height.
Broad jump. You need the equipment. You can build one out of 2x4 if you have to. lots of people on a budget started that way. 2 - 12' 2x4 with notches on the edge for the pvc to sit on. Nail short (6") 2x4 under for a base support, so the 12' 2x4 doesn't fall over. Get PVC, 3/4" x 80" long, try to find 20' lenghts so you have no waste. Tape them with red electrical tape 8" red, 8" white. Pickup the plywood and have it cut. Prop the plywood up so it's 12 " off the ground and make sure it has a white border. Last 1 more white 2x4 x 80" at the front to indicate the front of the jump. It's a bit of work, but if your budget is limited it's a start.
As well there is only one company in North America that build these jumps at this present time it is a small fabricating shop out of Calgary AB. http://www.nikanda.com/specialtyanimal.html
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