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[Re: Jenni Williams ]
#243875 - 06/19/2009 12:43 PM |
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How would a well bred, properly raised with correct temperament APBT be expected to react to a strange dog searching his home?
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Re: Pit Bulls as Personal Protection D
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#243877 - 06/19/2009 12:54 PM |
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Ironically, the GSD has been under IA for 4 consecutive friendly bites including a lieutenant, the handler and for one of the bites, the SWAT guy will be lucky to have children…  He was “re-trained” and put back on the streets. Long and frustrating situation that I will be happy to take to PMs if you want.
The APBT is actually a very nice dog. After the incident, he was easy to handle and friendly to the officers. Rob knows his bully breeds, and liked this one. I think the dog reacted the exact same way that Quinn would have in the same situation.
Funny how things work sometimes… I think the poor Pit deserved better. Just sad all the way around, well except for the narc team. 
Jessica
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Re: Pit Bulls as Personal Protection D
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#243879 - 06/19/2009 01:13 PM |
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That’s fair.
From the way I read Johan’s post, he meant either intentionally or “even unintentionally” they are easier to bring to this state.
This is what i mean
They are far faster to choke out than lets say a Malinois
Less than 30 seconds
Greetings
Johan
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Re: Pit Bulls as Personal Protection D
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#243881 - 06/19/2009 01:14 PM |
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Ah, there you are Steve. I was just starting to miss you.
I was assuming the scenario, since I wasn't there. When Jessica said "drug raid gone bad" I assumed that the dog was there to act as a guard, as most scum of the Earth have their dogs for just that, in that kind of world. I suppose it could've been a beloved family pet and some family member just happened to be dealing drugs out of the home, but the term "drug raid gone bad" doesn't really imply that. At least to me, anyway.
I surmised that the poor thing was bred for an improper purpose, probably kept improperly, and was probably not any example of a proper Pit, and therefore acted uncharacteristically of what the ideal or standard is for the breed in terms of tenacity. The defense rests.
And back on topic...why we don't use Pits as PSDs....
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Re: Pit Bulls as Personal Protection D
[Re: Jenni Williams ]
#243883 - 06/19/2009 01:21 PM |
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Johan, gotcha. I think this may be physiological, I have a friend who has dissected many many different kinds of dogs and animals for scientific purposes, and while we were looking at skulls and jaws and throat construction, we noticed a notable difference in available "windpipe" on a Pit than say, a GSD or a Mal. There was a difference in circumference that would corellate w/what you are saying, but only if you are saying what I think you mean- how long it physically takes them to black out or release due to oxygen deprivation.
If you don't mean literally choke, as in loss of consciousness, and are referring to a forced out/aus, then nevermind...my theory isn't relevant.
I have never choked out a Pit.
How do you mean you were unintentionally choking them out? Was it related to the angle of the bite? Was the dog overly muscled/extreme?
Off topic...sorry. These things just interest me.
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Re: Pit Bulls as Personal Protection D
[Re: Jenni Williams ]
#243884 - 06/19/2009 01:24 PM |
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I was assuming the scenario, since I wasn't there. When Jessica said "drug raid gone bad" I assumed that the dog was there to act as a guard, as most scum of the Earth have their dogs for just that, in that kind of world. I suppose it could've been a beloved family pet and some family member just happened to be dealing drugs out of the home, but the term "drug raid gone bad" doesn't really imply that. At least to me, anyway.
It's cool girl!
The dog was both and the situation was both. They are scum that loved their dogs deeply and had children in the house. There were two other dogs in the back yard guarding more dope. Don't know what will happen to them. It is sad when these things happen, no matter how you look at it.
Anyway, we had a guy in our club that worked a great little Pit. She was a little Tasmanian devil! Coolest thing to watch, but her poor bark wouldn't scare a fly. Even at her most defencive it was so high pitched that it sounded like one of those old back flipping, baking dog toys. Tazz kicked butt! Very dynamic in everything she did.
ETA:Oh, and not to answer for Johan, but I have seen a club dog black out from blood loss (not so much air loss) while being back tied. Certainly not intentional, but it happened. Also from manually holding a dog back. Hyperventilating, intense exercise and physical restraint all add up to the blood begin cut off for those few precious seconds.
Backing out now...
Jessica
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Re: Pit Bulls as Personal Protection D
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#243888 - 06/19/2009 01:41 PM |
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May seen insignificant, but Rob had to choke out a APBT the other day that was attempting to kill a police dog. Drug raid gone bad.
Sorry for the hijack...
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Re: Pit Bulls as Personal Protection D
[Re: Jenni Williams ]
#243889 - 06/19/2009 01:43 PM |
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Hi Jenni. I was taking some of what you mentioned about doing what they were intended to do and applying it to what the dog did, thats all.
Also the part about the conflict for pits and biting men is what I was thinking about with Johans post. The dog could be half-gassed before the line is ever tight.
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#243890 - 06/19/2009 01:44 PM |
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I will respond to this one via PMs. 
Jessica
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#243892 - 06/19/2009 01:45 PM |
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On drug raids? Don't Canadian drug dealers have guns?
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