David Morris Webboard User Reg: 11-28-2002
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Why would you assume that motivation is not involved in teaching a dog to heel this way. Thats my point when I teach people to train their dog I have to almost beg them to pay attention to their dog and praise their dog and keep motivated. You can teach a dog to heel in silence with an occasional flat "good boy".
Stop making excuses for your dog and start training it!
Im not saying (at least i dont think i am) that motivation isnt involved. What i learned back then was to use a 10' or so leash, allow all but handle to drop, have dog at your side, give heel comand and start walking, (keep one eye on dog) praise for good heel, when dog starts wandering off dont say a word just turn and go in opposite direction and give a jerk on leash,(being careful not to let dog see you pop leash) when dog moves back to heel praise and continue.
What I am saying is that at least to me it is backwards. For me it just makes more sence to start by teaching the dog what the word Heel means, and then once they know use correction with leash for straying from heel. I have also found at least for me it works better. Takes a little longer but I like the results better.
This is just my personal opinion though and im certanly no profesional
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Actually I do it all on a six foot lead and never turn my back on the dog praise the dog for coming to me and turn and start heeling praising the dog for being in the right place.I dont start off saying heel ,just use the dogs name.I dont say heel until the dog is doing somthing close to heeling.Hold the leash aginst the body and make corrections with footwork.Lots of praise and motivation.I dont try to teach the dog to heel right off just pay attention and hang out with me keying on my body.Most people dont go to a trainer with a puppy they waite till it has a mind of its own and is dragging them down the street.
Stop making excuses for your dog and start training it!
David, as you saw on my previous post what i learned back then and the way you are discribing are very differant. I went back and read the first post and the method he discribes sound very similar to what i learned. That method is what i was refering to but the way you discribe sound far better on the dog in terms of teaching it what is expected. As i look back on some of the ways i learned back then and how i work now i cringe. The method ive used to train my male must work as he will heel on Loose leash (dont quit trust him off yet) past his girl friend (female husky) when she is in heat. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> I wouldnt recomend using that as a distraction test but the idiots next door put her out knowing we were out and that she was in heat.
This is the way I was taught years ago. Does it work? Yes. It is also very hard on a soft dog. Your still making corrections before the dog knows what you expect of him. Motivational training first, then when the dog really understands the command, the corrections (at the correct level for the individual dog) can be given.
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What I meant to say in my previouse post is you can not teach your dog to heel in complete silence with an occasional good boy. I think we are talking about theory and reality.I agree if you are dedicated and start working deligently with your young puppy and have some insight you can teach your puppy to heel differently.But in reality this is not what you are dealing with.As a dog trainer you have to be able to get results and you have to deal with people who are not all that enthusiastic and pay less attention than their dogs.Not to mention uncoordinated and have terrible timing.Not to mention you are on a time table.Not everybody shows up with a golden ret. puppy or a good GSD puppy.They show up with dogs that jump all over them, have zero respect forthem,run the house,drag them down the street, pay no attention to them,and the dog has no idea their owners would prefer they behave differantly because there ownwers have already trained them unkowingly to behave this way.
Stop making excuses for your dog and start training it!
David, your last post is a lousy cop out for being set in your ways. I occasionally take in rescue dogs and most are like you describe. My current SchH dog was in the pound and didn't know diddly squat. Yes, crank and yank works. I am not saying it doesn't but frankly I think it is totally unfair to the dog. The majority of dogs are not motivated by a simple "good boy"...
I am not some super-person, nor am I a professional trainer, matter of fact I have a hard time walking a chewing gum at the same time, but my dog was taught to heel motivationally and looks pretty dern spiffy. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Matter of fact I hardly ever even have to hold the leash.
You should break down and take time off for Flinks, I think it would open your eyes to a different world. Not to mention I would like to see you take Itor's leash and teach him to heel your way. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
But can you train your dog and chew gum at the same time? Whew.....I find that to be the toughest....you know...barking out an obedience command and having your gum fly out of your mouth. Good distraction for the dog....you know, the gum flying through the air and all....
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