Jose Miguel Gome wrote 08/21/2009 04:08 PM Re: Puppy poop [Re: Michael_Wise ] #250607 - 08/21/2009 04:08 PM
Jose Miguel Gome Webboard User Reg: 11-11-2008 Posts: 130 Loc: South Africa Offline	He just came from outside now and made a hard poop. The last time he made it was at afternoon, water poop. Now he made a hard little stool wich is a very sudden change. He whined when he made it. Is this normal? May be the bonne in the chicken necks that we gave him this morning and afternoon made it harder?! Now i think we will fast him for 12 hours. Then what's the next step? If he keeps whining when making stools, what should we do? I don't think it will be easy to find chicken backs here. I'll check it out. Thank you all very much for all the info in real time. You are the best!! Like my page about animal training https://www.facebook.com/TrainMePlease
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Michael_Wise wrote 08/21/2009 11:00 PM Re: Puppy poop [Re: Jose Miguel Gome ] #250637 - 08/21/2009 11:00 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	So all he has had lately is chicken necks with the fat and skin removed? Is his poop super hard and crumbly? If so you can leave a little fat or skin on for the next meal. If that goes well for a day or so then it would probably be safe to add some extra chicken meat to the meals, too. Just be sure that he has a few good poops before you add anything new. Even then, add the variety in slowly and in small amounts.
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Michael_Wise wrote 08/21/2009 11:09 PM Re: Puppy poop [Re: Michael_Wise ] #250639 - 08/21/2009 11:09 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	Just wanted to add that fasting is still probably a good idea. And you are right that it was probably the bony necks that are making the poop so hard. We don't want the poop to be that hard, but this is better than diarrhea and can easily be corrected by slowly adding in more meat and fat.
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Jose Miguel Gome wrote 08/22/2009 05:53 AM Re: Puppy poop [Re: Michael_Wise ] #250647 - 08/22/2009 05:53 AM
Jose Miguel Gome Webboard User Reg: 11-11-2008 Posts: 130 Loc: South Africa Offline	Today morning he made again hard stools. The collour was white and he whinned again when making it. Right now he made a very weird thing. He started with hiccups and then released some white foam from his mouth. This happened after he was carried on the lap a little bit. Should i worry about it? He's behaving normaly. Like my page about animal training https://www.facebook.com/TrainMePlease
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Connie Sutherland wrote 08/22/2009 09:24 AM Re: Puppy poop [Re: Jose Miguel Gome ] #250654 - 08/22/2009 09:24 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Hard and white like chalky, or pale yellow or tan? His mouth -- you mean slight frothy vomiting?
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Jose Miguel Gome wrote 08/22/2009 10:33 AM Re: Puppy poop [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #250655 - 08/22/2009 10:33 AM
Jose Miguel Gome Webboard User Reg: 11-11-2008 Posts: 130 Loc: South Africa Offline	I think it was more like pale yellow. Anyway, the last stool was a normal brown one. Just a little bit hard again and with some pieces of bonne in it. I think we need to add a little bit of fat, skin or meat in order to correct the racio between hard and soft components. Am i right? Yes, i mean slight frothy vomiting. Is it normal in puppys? He was with empty stomach at that momment because of the 12 hours fasting. Thank you very much for all the help. Like my page about animal training https://www.facebook.com/TrainMePlease
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Connie Sutherland wrote 08/22/2009 10:54 AM Re: Puppy poop [Re: Jose Miguel Gome ] #250656 - 08/22/2009 10:54 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Yes, the froth-vomit is kind of common with a no-food stomach in some dogs. You could stir some plain unsweetened yogurt and/or a little plain canned pumpkin (not pie filling) into the water. I'd grab a piece of paper and tape it up by the door and record poop color, consistency, etc., just in case there are actually soft yellowish or tan ones (which can be a different problem, such as giardia). And then yes, I'm with Michael about adjusting the meat-bone ratio until you see good logs:  Quote: Michael_Wise ... We don't want the poop to be that hard, but this is better than diarrhea and can easily be corrected by slowly adding in more meat and fat.
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Jose Miguel Gome wrote 08/24/2009 04:38 PM Re: Puppy poop [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #250817 - 08/24/2009 04:38 PM
Jose Miguel Gome Webboard User Reg: 11-11-2008 Posts: 130 Loc: South Africa Offline	Normal poop now for the last days, thanks to you guys. I think we will keep with chicken for a few days but increase the ammount a litle bit. Then, we will start adding new kinds of meat. When we add new types of meat, should we make it a full meal in one of the three daily meals or just a little bit in one of the chicken meals? Is it ok to mix chicken with other types of meat (like beef) in the same meal? Like my page about animal training https://www.facebook.com/TrainMePlease
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Michael_Wise wrote 08/24/2009 11:23 PM Re: Puppy poop [Re: Jose Miguel Gome ] #250857 - 08/24/2009 11:23 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	So no white or yellow/tan softer, runny poop? Normal brown logs? Just for my curiousity, what are you feeding now? Your plan for increasing the amount and THEN adding more meat or fat sounds great. Get the pup all the way on chicken with no problems and then move on to a different protein source. It would be best to add small amounts of the new meat to a meal that the pup already does good on. Small amounts of the new, building up gradually. Just like you mentioned and adding the new meat to a tried and true chicken meal. It is perfectly fine to mix protein sources.
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Michael_Wise wrote 08/24/2009 11:35 PM Re: Puppy poop [Re: Michael_Wise ] #250858 - 08/24/2009 11:35 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	Every dog is a little different on how you have to approach variety. Adding new stuff into the diet slowly and in small amounts let's you learn how your dog reacts and at what rate you can add new to the diet. Even going slow, it really doesn't take that long to be feeding all the different types of food that you could dream of getting your hands on.
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