Connie Sutherland wrote 09/17/2009 09:37 PM Re: Recall [Re: Nora Ferrell ] #252852 - 09/17/2009 09:37 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Nora Ferrell  Quote: Connie Sutherland P.S. However, the beginning training for me is very close up. It's nowhere near 20 feet away, outdoors -- more like a few feet, or almost touching distance. That is, I am so close that I am really the only show in town. Increasing that distance is one of the gradual distraction/venue/distance things. When you take them outside on the twenty footer, do you give them time to get interested in something other than you. If I have mine on leash, any length, she stays with me so I really can't call her to me because she is already there. Am I doing it wrong? How is she at complying from 6 or 8 feet away?
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Nora Ferrell wrote 09/17/2009 09:43 PM Re: Recall [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #252853 - 09/17/2009 09:43 PM
Nora Ferrell Webboard User Reg: 02-10-2008 Posts: 727 Loc: Kentucky Offline	Perfect.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/17/2009 09:53 PM Re: Recall [Re: Nora Ferrell ] #252854 - 09/17/2009 09:53 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Nora Ferrell Perfect. Then you can start adding a little distance, still being sure to always reinforce that perception that complying with the recall is always in the dog's best interest. Then a little distraction, then a small change of venue, and always in between practicing it when anything good is about to happen. For me, corrections for non-compliance if needed are much later. I want a very solid POV in the dog about the wonders of the recall, and a parallel understanding that it's not optional anyway. But number one is the great outcome from coming when called.
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Jennifer Lee wrote 09/17/2009 10:22 PM Re: Recall [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #252856 - 09/17/2009 10:22 PM
Jennifer Lee Webboard User Reg: 12-16-2007 Posts: 2851 Loc: oklahoma Offline	I just wanted to add not to be afraid of getting creative with the rewards. I added going for a car ride around the block to my line up and it has saved me once already. I practiced calling him in the front yard on a long line and then added car ride to the command. So it goes something like YOTE! to me, Car Ride!!!! Then I reel him in if need be and we drive around the block. He really really loves to go for rides so this adds an extra measure of security to me if he is ever loose out front. (I did this after we had the recall down perfectly inside and in the back yard off leash.)
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Jo Harker wrote 09/18/2009 05:33 AM Re: Recall [Re: Jennifer Lee ] #252864 - 09/18/2009 05:33 AM
Jo Harker Webboard User Reg: 10-24-2008 Posts: 921 Loc: Indiana Offline	I like the car ride reward! Very creative! I just wanted to say that--when I use my 20 ft lead, I don't reel Lucy in. Her nose is her life and she does get "deaf" at times. So, I slide down the the length, looping the excess as I go, until I am at approximately 6 ft, then we do a sit, walk, etc. I may be doing it wrong, but to reel Lucy in is to have a dog who believes she will be heavily punished, so I developed the slide movement to her. I figure if she doesn't come when called, she still hasn't got it, so I don't do any harm by sliding instead of reeling. Am I wrong in this? I don't want to set up bad training OR a bad 'suggestion' in a thread. Look! I DO fit in the bag.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/18/2009 11:10 AM Re: Recall [Re: Jo Harker ] #252881 - 09/18/2009 11:10 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: jo harker I like the car ride reward! Very creative! I just wanted to say that--when I use my 20 ft lead, I don't reel Lucy in. Her nose is her life and she does get "deaf" at times. So, I slide down the the length, looping the excess as I go, until I am at approximately 6 ft, then we do a sit, walk, etc. I may be doing it wrong, but to reel Lucy in is to have a dog who believes she will be heavily punished, so I developed the slide movement to her. I figure if she doesn't come when called, she still hasn't got it, so I don't do any harm by sliding instead of reeling. Am I wrong in this? I don't want to set up bad training OR a bad 'suggestion' in a thread. Why would she perceive the reeling as prelude to punishment? I really really do not want the dog to view the recall as optional, which would be the case if not complying allows the dog to do what she wanted to do, which is stay where she is. Aren't you teaching her that if she does not come, then no problem because you will go to her? Maybe the challenge to address is why she would view a reeling in as a bad thing. For me, it's very very calm and matter-of-fact. It just means "you will come to me when I call." No correction beyond the reeling and no comment (or reward). The other challenge I might see here is that if this is commonly recurring, I might back way up to the short distance and start over until I had 100% compliance without distraction or distance. My goal is to make the reeling-in a very rare necessity.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/18/2009 11:14 AM Re: Recall [Re: Jennifer Lee ] #252882 - 09/18/2009 11:14 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Jennifer Lee I just wanted to add not to be afraid of getting creative with the rewards. I added going for a car ride around the block to my line up and it has saved me once already. I practiced calling him in the front yard on a long line and then added car ride to the command. So it goes something like YOTE! to me, Car Ride!!!! Then I reel him in if need be and we drive around the block. He really really loves to go for rides so this adds an extra measure of security to me if he is ever loose out front. (I did this after we had the recall down perfectly inside and in the back yard off leash.) Great thing to call for! I'd think about making it a reward rather than a bribe, though. (Although I would not be averse to keeping the bribe in mind for some scary situation where training has failed and the distraction is high.)
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Nora Ferrell wrote 09/18/2009 11:41 AM Re: Recall [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #252888 - 09/18/2009 11:41 AM
Nora Ferrell Webboard User Reg: 02-10-2008 Posts: 727 Loc: Kentucky Offline	I love this car ride idea and Mimi loves a car ride, too. Before she did the stand off in the street, she was doing so good at coming when I called, I would sometimes call her for a car ride, but then she got slower and slower at coming. I'm going to use this again but keep her on a long leash and reel her as necessary. Jo, I think Connie is right about going to Lucy. When Mimi started getting slower and slower until finally blowing me off and stopping to smell the roses on the way to the car, I had gone to her (she wasn't on the long line) and I think that was training her to do it her way. I made the same mistake having her sit at the door. I would say, "sit, sit, sit" and she would 'walk away, walk away, turn around, then sit'. Funny how we train them for what we don't want.
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Jennifer Lee wrote 09/18/2009 11:45 AM Re: Recall [Re: Nora Ferrell ] #252890 - 09/18/2009 11:45 AM
Jennifer Lee Webboard User Reg: 12-16-2007 Posts: 2851 Loc: oklahoma Offline	Your right that I was using it as a bribe, but frankly I was ok with that in this situation with this particular dog. It already worked once when he charged out between my legs into the front yard and started to do the nanny nanny boo boo you cant catch me routine. I opened the car door, called him, and he came running like he was shot out of a rocket!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/18/2009 11:54 AM Re: Recall [Re: Nora Ferrell ] #252891 - 09/18/2009 11:54 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Nora Ferrell ... Funny how we train them for what we don't want. Don't we, though? Everything we do with our dogs teaches them something. But what?
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