 Re: Sent my dog off for training
[Re: Al Curbow ]
#254280 - 10/05/2009 01:26 PM |
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They're just going to use heavy compulsion. I'd never send my dogs away to be trained. You have to learn by "doing". Why do you need 2 people to correct this problem?
Two people was required to keep from being bit, one leash on each side. Of course, someone else mentioned a muzzle, which I hadn't thought of.
It's not just that. He needs proper obedience training also. I understand I will learn by doing, but there's a lot to learn. And even though I'll eventually learn what I need to know, I can't put off training certain things just because I don't yet have the knowledge to be able to train them. It's not like I won't still have to work with him on things when he comes back from training.
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Re: Sent my dog off for training
[Re: John Stopps ]
#254293 - 10/05/2009 05:26 PM |
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Hopefully when he returns you won't have more problems to work out. I'm with Al on this one. If these guys are real heavy handed you may end up with a broke/unfixable dog. Not saying thats whats going to happen but its' happened many times in the past. Fingers crossed.
If there's any way for you to observe what this guy is doing I would take the opportunity. If he refuses to allow you to watch then take your dog home and find someone else to do the work or find a good trainer to help you out.
From what I read in your posts, It may be a pain in the arse but it is fixable in a couple/few training sessions. I had a friend with the same problem with an Australian Shepherd. One 90 minute session with the dog and it was done (for me)....a couple sessions with the owners (who are notoriously soft) and problem solved.
No major compulsion was used, and I did it myself without injury. This dog was a tough case compared to others I worked with. Patience was the key...and not getting angry.
Howard
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Re: Sent my dog off for training
[Re: John Stopps ]
#254294 - 10/05/2009 05:43 PM |
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You couldn't stop your dog from biting the leash? All you have to do is put some Vick's Vaporub on it and he will never bite it again. Dogs hate Vaporub. You don't need to fight the dog or make it a big deal. Just make is so unpleasant that he doesn't want to put it in his mouth.
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Re: Sent my dog off for training
[Re: Howard Knauf ]
#254295 - 10/05/2009 05:58 PM |
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Hopefully when he returns you won't have more problems to work out. I'm with Al on this one. If these guys are real heavy handed you may end up with a broke/unfixable dog. Not saying thats whats going to happen but its' happened many times in the past. Fingers crossed.
I thought about that. I'm not too worried as there are other people on this forum that have had them do training. I will let them speak up if they want. Two other people I know have had their dogs out there, one for 3 months. Ed and Cindy also know them.
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Re: Sent my dog off for training
[Re: Jeanne Woodlock ]
#254299 - 10/05/2009 07:46 PM |
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You couldn't stop your dog from biting the leash? All you have to do is put some Vick's Vaporub on it and he will never bite it again. Dogs hate Vaporub. You don't need to fight the dog or make it a big deal. Just make is so unpleasant that he doesn't want to put it in his mouth.
That may work for some dogs... 
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Re: Sent my dog off for training
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#254306 - 10/05/2009 08:31 PM |
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You couldn't stop your dog from biting the leash? All you have to do is put some Vick's Vaporub on it and he will never bite it again. Dogs hate Vaporub. You don't need to fight the dog or make it a big deal. Just make is so unpleasant that he doesn't want to put it in his mouth.
That may work for some dogs...
I have yet to find one it didn't work on.
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Re: Sent my dog off for training
[Re: Jeanne Woodlock ]
#254309 - 10/05/2009 08:35 PM |
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You couldn't stop your dog from biting the leash? All you have to do is put some Vick's Vaporub on it and he will never bite it again. Dogs hate Vaporub. You don't need to fight the dog or make it a big deal. Just make is so unpleasant that he doesn't want to put it in his mouth.
That may work for some dogs...
I have yet to find one it didn't work on.
"Bitter Apple" "Listerine" are other products that work, or my wife's cooking.....
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Re: Sent my dog off for training
[Re: JessicaKromer ]
#254310 - 10/05/2009 08:40 PM |
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You couldn't stop your dog from biting the leash? All you have to do is put some Vick's Vaporub on it and he will never bite it again. Dogs hate Vaporub. You don't need to fight the dog or make it a big deal. Just make is so unpleasant that he doesn't want to put it in his mouth.
That may work for some dogs...
When I got him, he chewed on the deck in the yard. Loved it. I doused it with bitter apple, he wouldn't stop. Then I doused it with Sriracha sauce, he chewed it more. Then I doused it with a bottle of some 1 million scoville unit hot sauce, he just kept chewing. And one drop of that stuff in a bowl of salsa was almost too hot to eat for me, and I've cleared out the house before with the amount of habeneros I've tossed in hot oil for dishes I make. It's like someone sprayed pepper spray in the house.
When he gets back, I'll see if vicks works on him, but if 1 million scoville hot sauce didn't do anything, I doubt vick's will.
This wasn't biting the leash either, it was attacking it.
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Re: Sent my dog off for training
[Re: John Stopps ]
#254311 - 10/05/2009 08:47 PM |
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You are right. Hot sauce and bitter apple don't work. Vaporub does. I think it is the smell more than the taste.
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Re: Sent my dog off for training
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#254312 - 10/05/2009 08:51 PM |
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...I doused it with a bottle of some 1 million scoville unit hot sauce, he just kept chewing.
Quinn once found a 3 oz can of pepperspray that I keep in the car for various reasons. Mark 4, the stuff the LEO use. He had punctured it in, no joke, 15 places. He just kept chewing away. He had drooled all over the car and I couldn't sit in it for a week after the car detail company came by to work on it. He just had a big grin on his face.
I can understand using Bitter Apple, Listerine, or any of the other various home remodies for a mouthy pup, but we are talking about an agressive dog that is ATTACKING a leash. It could just as easily be any human body part he is able to grab. Very few dog owners have ever seen or know that this serious and dangerous type of behavior exists. Vapor Rub or something else will do nothing and leash chewing is not even the issue here. It is a respect thing and a serious one at that.
We have a dog a the club the LOVES his handler, but sees her as a littermate and nowhere near in control. A correction from her can and often does lead to serious bites. Bitter Apple wiould do nothing.
Jessica
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