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Hahaha that video is too funny!! I've definitely seen people acting like that before. Such a sad sight too, for the person and the dog.
Anyway, these trainers seem to know what they're doing (though they're the only ones I've watched in person). The one who started the club does a lot of yelling, and it really does sound like he's angry. I don't have a problem with it if it works for other dogs, but the retired Shepherd I worked seemed to respond pretty well despite it being my very first time and me not being that loud. I know you have to yell to the dog if you're across the field, but I guess that's what the difference to me is. I'm okay with yelling TO the dog but it seemed like he was yelling AT his dog. Does that make sense?
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Quote: Mike J Schoonbrood
You should be able to give commands in any tone of voice, as long as the dog can hear it, and get results.
My wife showed me this video the other day and it made me laugh. Reminded me of a few trainers I've watched in the protection sports world :p This thread reminded me of it.
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I think it depends on the dog, Erika requires a strong voice and Roxie her mother I discovered responded well with a softer voice with a slight Irish accent.
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Not Gaelic? Or Italian?
Seriously, Roxie started training in Sch and I got her later on. I watched a NatGeo special on sheep dogs and one of the shepherd's dog was named "Silky" and he would call her in a brogue and tone "SIILLLLllllKKKkkky" and in a relaxed voice. I didn't intentionaly do that it just sorta came out and she responded better to it so I kept it
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Hahaha that's great! I'll start going through some accents and maybe my Corgi will get a little quicker
That's a good point about it depending on the dog. He has a FR3 Beauceron that's very impressive but definitely needed (and still needs) a lot more effort and training. Maybe that's why he has to yell, to really be able to get his attention. The handlers of the Mals and GSDs weren't quite so intense.
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Speaking of Roxie she totaly blew off a recall the other day. My son Brian 8 call her right after I did and she came running in and sat right in front of him. could be Brian does all the feeding and recently I've been treating her eye with drops. I make Brian do it and have him call and treat her right after.
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1. Why do you have to sound so angry when giving commands? I guess it makes sense if we're in a real situation, where I would actually be yelling if my dog were protecting me from someone.. is that it? I think understanding it might help me get my big girl voice out.
2. Did anyone else have this problem in the beginning? How did you overcome it? I really thought I was being loud and serious, but apparently not enough haha!
When training police dogs, I've always instructed handlers that three (3) voices were required and I made sure they practiced them.
1. Command voice; exactly as it sounds, assertive, clear, unhurried.
2. Correction voice; Harsher, distinctly different. Since "NO" is really the only verbal correction it can become very effective.
3. Praise voice: again as it sounds. Pleased, happy, short and to the point.
In my experience it's difficult for new handlers to grasp the concept, but once they do, it makes things work a lot easier. Certainly less confusing for the dog.
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I vote it's eye drops, I wouldn't come either haha
Conan (the Corgi) comes when called, even in the herding
pen, but not with a command. I can't just say Conan, I have to say Conan and bust out some boogie moves and really make it look
like the party is going on where I'm at (okay, that could be slightly exaggerated....slightly) or he'll just ignore me and do what he thinks is most interesting. Unless I have a bribe (food/toy) then he comes like lightening. I should probably start another thread about that haha!
It's actually sort of nice to know that even really well trained dogs make mistakes.
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