 Re: Hand licking
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#254995 - 10/19/2009 05:55 PM |
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... When my girl gets a hard correction from me, she will crawl very submissively to me with her ears back and try to lick my hands.
I know this is off topic and also not even a question, but when did that ever stop
me. 
This dog does not sound at all like a dog who needs or will do well with a hard correction. If this is the dog who shut down over the e-collar after abusive past training at the hands of a previous owner, then it goes double.
But even if not, this kind of reaction to a correction would make me stand back and re-evaluate my methods, which really need to be tailored to the individual dog. I know that we sometimes forget that what was needed with another dog is not necessarily what is needed with the one in front of us.
.... and back to hand-licking ....
Glad you commented on that sentence, Connie - it jumped out at me, too!
Sounds like too hard of a correction for the dog -- and possibly delivered with too much emotion from the handler. Not a reaction I'd want to see ever again from my dog, if it was me. 
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Re: Hand licking
[Re: steve strom ]
#255012 - 10/19/2009 10:08 PM |
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If you don't like it, don't let them do it.
Oh I don't. And he's stopped trying. But it's not just the act of licking, its the whole attitude. He is a very submissive dog and will get distressed when anything is too atressful. And he is supposed to be a guide dog. Even though he can do the job, I think he should be in a less stressful profession, like being someones companion only. So I'm looking for another guide dog prospect, a GSD, and to rehome this one, a Chessy.
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Re: Hand licking
[Re: Joy van Veen ]
#255016 - 10/19/2009 10:42 PM |
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I didnt mean you specifically Joy. I just used the quick reply.
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Re: Hand licking
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#255074 - 10/20/2009 06:30 PM |
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... When my girl gets a hard correction from me, she will crawl very submissively to me with her ears back and try to lick my hands.
I know this is off topic and also not even a question, but when did that ever stop
me.
This dog does not sound at all like a dog who needs or will do well with a hard correction. This is not a reaction I want to see.
If this is the dog who shut down over the e-collar after abusive past training at the hands of a previous owner, then it goes double.
But even if not, this kind of reaction to a correction would make me stand back and re-evaluate my methods, which really need to be tailored to the individual dog. I know that we sometimes forget that what was needed with another dog is not necessarily what is needed with the one in front of us.
.... and back to hand-licking ....
Hmm, I don't ever remember saying that the correction was with an e-collar or a prong. (Please don't assume that I abuse or beat my dog, I see this happen a lot on the forums and a lot of people here are quick to jump all over someone if they don't provide at least 3 paragraphs of info in their posts.) She doesn't wear either in the house and doesn't need too. This is with a sharp voice correction, when she does something we absolutely don't want her to do, like mouthing my kittens or trying to slam open the back screen door when we haven't released her from a stay command.
PS - And if you were to meet my dog, you would probably comment, like many, many people do, what a well-rounded, healthy, happy and well-socialized dog she is.
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Re: Hand licking
[Re: Sharon Eliot ]
#255076 - 10/20/2009 06:44 PM |
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So your question is???????
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Re: Hand licking
[Re: Sharon Eliot ]
#255079 - 10/20/2009 07:00 PM |
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... Hmm, I don't ever remember saying that the correction was with an e-collar or a prong.
Neither did I. 
My mention of the e-collar was made in reference to previous posts about her abuse at the hands of a previous owner.
I responded to this: ... When my girl gets a hard correction from me, she will crawl very submissively to me with her ears back and try to lick my hands. with this:
"This dog does not sound at all like a dog who needs or will do well with a hard correction."
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Re: Hand licking
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#255100 - 10/20/2009 08:24 PM |
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Sharon,
Just stop ...... Just stop it.
Take a deep breath.
And stop being so defensive.
Here is a hint you can take for what it's worth; any correction you give to a dog, I'll repeat that, ANY correction you give to a dog that makes them crawl submissively, is much too much of a correction.
Back it off.
If my dog isn't learning, I'm doing something wrong.
Randy
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Re: Hand licking
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#255109 - 10/20/2009 09:25 PM |
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ok, what I have done is for unwanted behavior such as jumping is put my hands under my armpits and turn my back on them, no eye contact, no voice, completly ignore the dog, they quickly learn that what they are doing will not get them what they want. this is not so effective if they are really cranked way up in drive
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Re: Hand licking
[Re: Dennis Jones ]
#255131 - 10/21/2009 09:20 AM |
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That is good advice.
I think it works better on older dogs than puppies but then what do I know?
And if you are a decent actor you can really feign disgust or whatever else rows your boat to convey disappointment in the dog's behavior.
Mine seem well tuned in to my body language range - exuberant to icy. Just a little bit of posturiong seems to convey a message.
That and the occasional 'enough' seems to settle behavior I am disinclined to tolerate.
Then too, a well trained 'no' is perhaps the best and most decisive way to cease an activity - any activity.
But attitude and body language is what training and communicating is all about - I think.
Of course, yelling as venting is a release that often just leads to louder and louder yells over time; leading to the question: 'what is training who?'
But I digress... Again.
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