 Re: Obsessive or Normal Behavior?
[Re: Kristel Smart ]
#257319 - 11/20/2009 04:53 PM |
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Yeah, my fault. I'm sorry.
I tend to make long winded posts and I was trying to keep the wall of text at a minimum.
Think that is fixating? He doesn't do it the same way he has done it at cats outside. More of just...staring. Alot.
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Re: Obsessive or Normal Behavior?
[Re: Heather Perring ]
#257323 - 11/20/2009 04:57 PM |
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Staring a lot is not good. It is fixating. I don't even like staring a little. Staring in general is not a good thing.
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Re: Obsessive or Normal Behavior?
[Re: Heather Perring ]
#257324 - 11/20/2009 05:01 PM |
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... just ... staring. Alot.
Besides a dog raised by elves* (or a blind dog, and I have seen this in blind dogs), dogs who stare "constantly," if not confrontational, are fixating.
All JMO.
* I almost said "raised by wolves," but that didn't work ....
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Re: Obsessive or Normal Behavior?
[Re: Kristel Smart ]
#257325 - 11/20/2009 05:01 PM |
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Staring a lot is not good. It is fixating. I don't even like staring a little. Staring in general is not a good thing.
Big huge ditto.
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Re: Obsessive or Normal Behavior?
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#257328 - 11/20/2009 05:08 PM |
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He will glance away if she looks back at him, then maybe approach for play, he just always watches her if she's walking around or doing something.
I don't know how to stop this staring.
So they should be separated? Frustrating how they have had almost 0 contact and he is still this interested after so long. If it matters, when he was 10 weeks old and picked up by my BF he was kept in a kennel with only one dog that looked just like her...we doubt he had much socialization with people at all.
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Re: Obsessive or Normal Behavior?
[Re: Heather Perring ]
#257330 - 11/20/2009 05:12 PM |
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.... I don't know how to stop this staring. ...
Well, I'd limit their together time to situations when I could be there, and I would have him on a drag line. I'd keep him out of her "space," and I would redirect the instant the staring started.
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Re: Obsessive or Normal Behavior?
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#257333 - 11/20/2009 05:17 PM |
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Thanks.
They are never allowed together alone. In fact it's only certain times they are out together and that's when I can sit here and watch them, like when I am watching TV or the like.
Could probably just tether him to my BF at all times in the house.
What would be a good way to redirect? Maybe play with his ball? He is very interested in the ball. Then again, if he can smell it on you his attention is unwavering.
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Re: Obsessive or Normal Behavior?
[Re: Heather Perring ]
#257364 - 11/21/2009 12:06 AM |
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Hm..it doesn't seem aggressive at all to me. Let me explain in more detail.
He play bows and acts like a big dumb puppy. There is no jumping on her or putting paws on her though. If they are standing there he might trot up and nip at her ear or bump her gently, if I walk by with her at my side he will jump up and tuck his butt and haul across the room like he wants her to chase him, then circle around and watch her with his tail wagging, sometimes play bowing at that moment.
She is fine until I get tired of seeing him do it and tell him to knock it off. Then she gets weird and usually comes near me and lays down or paces uncomfortably. Normally she just ignores him unless they are both excited. Yesterday she responded in a playful demeanor as well. We just separated them.
She is the one who doesn't have dog experience. She's shy around other dogs.
He is generally calm and relaxed around dogs, and gently playful. We met a calm, friendly dog of a friend of ours recently and while Reese is timid and took awhile to come out of her shell, he was the perfect gentlemen.
He just always seems to keep tabs on her by watching her here at home.
I just don't want him latching onto her and becoming doggie like he was as a puppy.
As for the e-collar thing, I thought it'd be alright, it's setting is around 20 on a dogtra and feels like a little tickle. He's warned to stop then when he ignores me he got a stim. It worked better than the long line. So I should stop that?
This is aggressive courtship behavior, seen in adolescents who are not respecting the authority of the alpha leader. But such behavior can very easily go from courtship to just aggression very easily. In wolves, and GSDs are in many ways close to wolves; this behavior starts at least a year before they are old enough to mate. Again in wolves, the alphas, both male and female, will not allow this behavior to continue unchecked.
This is a potentially dangerous situation. Keep them separated. Work to establish pack leadership, and especially leadership over this young male. A true leader would not only not allow pushy behavior because it can lead to a confromtation for status; but a pack leader will protect his non rebellious subordinates from bullying of pushy adolescents.
Take charge!
Obedience work sure can't hurt, and will reinforce your authority. More exercise is important. Get this youngster tired and complient.
And I agree that an e-collar is not good in this situation. Even at low settings, it is still increasing stimulation in an overly stimulated situation. It can act like a spark that ignites the charged atmosphere.
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Re: Obsessive or Normal Behavior?
[Re: Heather Perring ]
#257366 - 11/21/2009 01:22 AM |
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He is very interested in the ball. Then again, if he can smell it on you his attention is unwavering.
A lot of prey drive involved in fetch...it set off an alarm when you compared his interest in your girl to his interest in his ball. I believe Kristal alluded to this as well. Not good whether it looks playful or not.
You're leaving out the biggest piece in fixing this issue. What do you want him to do instead of staring? You're correcting him for staring but it doesn't sound like he has been given an alternative behavior.
I agree with everyone else who stated they would not allow these two out together. I would work the WS in attention and focus on you or your BF. Slowly introducing distraction and duration; another dog in his presence is too much for him to work around yet; so separate until he is trained. BTW I strongly recommend marker training.
Corrections definitely have their place; but IMO, only after a dog has been shown what the appropriate behavior is.
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Re: Obsessive or Normal Behavior?
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