 Re: diarrhea on raw
[Re: Jessica Pedicord ]
#274365 - 04/26/2010 09:03 AM |
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Is there a reason you're so convinced that the raw caused this? It sounds to me that there was a food change that caused the issue.
m just saying that there s no control over the quality of the raw in leb. they ve been talking about it on tv and everywhere ... pple get actually poisoned (that s y i asked if dogs are diff than humans)
m not convinced that raw caused it, he s been doing great so far ... it might be a possibility that s all.
A lot of things can cause mushy. You said you are giving him beef along with the necks. You could be giving too much beef- or if the beef is fatty and not lean, the fat in the beef can cause the loose stool. Can you give us a list of what he was eating prior to the diarrhea? And how you introduced the skins and organs? And then exactly what he's eating now. That will help of narrow it down.
Jess, beef is lean, no fat. i used to give 950g necks, 400g meet a day. i started giving 30g fat/skin per meal and around 20g of liver. (around 5% of total diet) and kept at it. was waiting for softer stools but didnt expect full diarrhea... (skin was added prior to liver and started to add liver when stools were fine ..
now he s eating around 950 necks, 300 beef mixed with mashed potatoes.
i ve been adding a probiotic all along (ultra levure) since my switch to raw, thought it might help. wanted to ask you about that.
(also karly used to get salmon oil, vit E and C, along vith puppy vits)
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Re: diarrhea on raw
[Re: Michel Karsouny ]
#274398 - 04/26/2010 01:34 PM |
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I would go back to nothing but necks and meat for a few days until the stool is firm again. Then add in one extra item per day till you work up to where you were. When you work back up to the liver, try just a teaspoon at a time. Mine still doesn't handle the livers too well so we do gizzards and hearts.
Can't say that's what others here would do, but if I were in your situation that is how I'd handle it.
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Re: diarrhea on raw
[Re: Jessica Pedicord ]
#274399 - 04/26/2010 01:41 PM |
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I would go back to nothing but necks and meat for a few days until the stool is firm again. Then add in one extra item per day till you work up to where you were. When you work back up to the liver, try just a teaspoon at a time. Mine still doesn't handle the livers too well so we do gizzards and hearts.
Me too.
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Re: diarrhea on raw
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#274400 - 04/26/2010 01:42 PM |
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So even stop the potato? But he s still dumping perfect chocolate pudding...
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Re: diarrhea on raw
[Re: Michel Karsouny ]
#274422 - 04/26/2010 04:45 PM |
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I'd go back to whatever you were feeding when you had consistently good (firm) poops, and only after you've gotten back to that state, then attempt to add in the new menu itmes, even more gradually than before.
IMO, boiled white potates (I assume without skins?) aren't adding much fiber--which is the reason for pumpkin as a handy go-to here in the states. Boiled potatoes are a good source of calories and some nutrients, but not a great source of fiber without the skins. Pumpkin is high in fiber which helps to bulk up the stool and hold water (also why it helps for constipation.) Psyllium would do the same thing. Cooked mashed chickpeas would perhaps be a locally available fiber source for you as an alternative to pumpkin.
But, honestly, I wouldn't to anything more than go back to the old diet without the addition of anything new, including potatoes or anything else.
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Re: diarrhea on raw
[Re: Michel Karsouny ]
#274423 - 04/26/2010 04:45 PM |
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I had a long and horrific experience with diarrhea too when Dom was younger. I never used potatoes. That's just my own experience, Michel. This is how I overcame it.
IMO the less ingredients, the easier it is to identify the culprit and the less chance of something irritating his bowel. Don't want you to think I'm an expert, because I am not. This is just based on personal experience.
Keep a journal of what you feed and what his poops are like. Add no more than ONE new food item per day- and only add something when his poop is solid for a couple days. Since Karly has a history of digestive issues, I would be taking baby steps exactly as I described. It pays off, trust me.
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Re: diarrhea on raw
[Re: Jessica Pedicord ]
#274424 - 04/26/2010 04:50 PM |
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... Keep a journal of what you feed and what his poops are like. Add no more than ONE new food item per day- and only add something when his poop is solid for a couple days. Since Karly has a history of digestive issues, I would be taking baby steps exactly as I described. It pays off, trust me.
And each new addition is added in a small amount.
And an acceptable alternative to canned plain pumpkin is canned plain orange squash. (Canned plain sweet potato is somewhat less desirable because it naturally contains much more sugar than the pumpkin and Hubbard-type squashes.)
And of course, you don't even think about a canned pumpkin of squash with sugar (or spices, or anything, actually) added. 
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Re: diarrhea on raw
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#274426 - 04/26/2010 04:54 PM |
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I'd go back to whatever you were feeding when you had consistently good (firm) poops, and only after you've gotten back to that state, then attempt to add in the new menu itmes, even more gradually than before. .... But, honestly, I wouldn't to anything more than go back to the old diet without the addition of anything new, including potatoes or anything else.
I agree. In fact, if I had no access to canned plain pumpkin, I'd skip that addition entirely.
I would discuss overcooked white rice, but we know that this dog was doing fine on the raw diet at some point. That point was where you want to return to.
Remember that not getting this dog's gut getting inflamed again way trumps "balance."
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Re: diarrhea on raw
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#274440 - 04/26/2010 06:22 PM |
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I respect you both for your opinions on dietary stuff but I'm going to have to disagree. 5 month old puppy on immodium and flagyl for 24 hrs still gushing fluids yesterday needs to be given time with some fiber before taking away what's working.
As far as pumpkin, squash, or nothing at least according to my dietary chart squash and potatos steamed or boiled have the same fiber content on the half cup so... take what you want from that.
I guess for my opinion is to get to the point of seeing logs, then drop the immodium, wait a day and if everything is still right then drop the added fiber back to the meals that were prior to the initial digestive upset. Tough digestive love might be fine for soft serve digestive issues but imo brown liquid needs intervention.
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Re: diarrhea on raw
[Re: Melissa Thom ]
#274442 - 04/26/2010 06:43 PM |
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Maybe I misread his post but I thought the pup only had liquid in the initial flare-up and was back to mush?
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