Natalya Zahn wrote 07/12/2010 01:30 PM Re: Help with nervous/fearful rescue [Re: Barbara Schuler ] #284356 - 07/12/2010 01:30 PM
Natalya Zahn Webboard User Reg: 12-22-2006 Posts: 1824 Loc: Cambridge, MA Offline	Quote: Barbara Schuler Yes mame there are! I'll try to find one closer to you, but here is some information. http://www.ronniesmithkennels.com/seminars.htm Fun!! Thanks Barbara! (on a side note, in reference to a photo on their home page... I know it's common in some types of training, but I just have to wince at the E-collar around the groin!! :eek ~Natalya
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Barbara Schuler wrote 07/12/2010 01:37 PM Re: Help with nervous/fearful rescue [Re: Natalya Zahn ] #284357 - 07/12/2010 01:37 PM
Barbara Schuler Webboard User Reg: 01-15-2009 Posts: 5090 Loc: Lanexa Virginia Offline	OUCH!!! Good grief Natalya, I didn't spend any time looking in depth, I'm sorry. Just got enthusiastic in seeing bird dog seminars listed! (slinks back into corner...)
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Niomi Smith wrote 07/12/2010 02:43 PM Re: Help with nervous/fearful rescue [Re: Barbara Schuler ] #284363 - 07/12/2010 02:43 PM
Niomi Smith Webboard User Reg: 04-20-2009 Posts: 786 Loc: Whitehorse, Yukon Offline	I would put a sign on the front door that says: Dog rules: No touch, No talk, No eye contact. Then enforce it...that being the key point. The dog does sound nervous in social situations, but more that he does not want to be touched by strangers. So have the owners keep the dog tethered (put away if kids are present), and let the dog follow them around without being ackowledged. If the behavior were to escalate to him growling even with people just around, then a muzzle or crating may be in order. If someone can't follow the rules then the dog should be crated to avoid putting him in that situation. He sounds like he just wants to be with the owners and feel free to relax, which is not going to happen with him being corrected by strangers and alpha rolled. Over time, he may learn to just settle and be more comfortable with people coming over ONCE he learns they are going to leave him alone.
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Betty Landercasp wrote 07/12/2010 03:03 PM Re: Help with nervous/fearful rescue [Re: Jennifer Lee ] #284365 - 07/12/2010 03:03 PM
Betty Landercasp Webboard User Reg: 11-30-2009 Posts: 3724 Loc: minnesota Offline	He looks field bred IMO, his ears are set high, and he has a little of that "brittany" look. He looks like a gun dog. His coat is thin and "workman-like" too, not the huge flowing coat of a bench dog. They are stunning. Some dogs fail the " gun" phase of training..... maybe he's a washout, just ran off.... We had bench dogs, who rarely had that super alert expression. They were dopey and sweet. I bet he can find quail!.Does he come to a field whistle? That would be a dead give-away as to his background. http://s922.photobucket.com/albums/ad67/Grasvaly/
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Natalya Zahn wrote 07/12/2010 03:22 PM Re: Help with nervous/fearful rescue [Re: Niomi Smith ] #284366 - 07/12/2010 03:22 PM
Natalya Zahn Webboard User Reg: 12-22-2006 Posts: 1824 Loc: Cambridge, MA Offline	Quote: niomi smith Over time, he may learn to just settle and be more comfortable with people coming over ONCE he learns they are going to leave him alone. Thanks Niomi - it's good to remember that he's only been with them 7 months or so - these things do take a long time... with the right management (as indicated by your suggestions) I think he will become a lot more comfortable in a houseful of people, but until then, you're right, respecting his personal space and setting him up to feel as relaxed as possible will be key. Betty - I have no idea about the whistle - I'll let his owners know to try this! He is a really good looking dog, definitely has a "working" appearance to him, and when he's outside he's simply always scanning for something feathered. Thanks so much guys - keep the suggestions coming! ~Natalya
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Melissa Thom wrote 07/12/2010 03:25 PM Re: Help with nervous/fearful rescue [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #284367 - 07/12/2010 03:25 PM
Melissa Thom Webboard User Reg: 12-04-2007 Posts: 2781 Loc: Upper Left hand corner, USA Offline	He looks like a GS pointer or lab setter mix to me. The head/ears doesn't match with either the coat type or the breed type you see in most field bred or show setters. Either way, stunning dog. I suspect this dog is just nervy without a proper outlet to be un nervy. Birds, agility, flyball, whatever would help him tremendously imo.
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steve strom wrote 07/12/2010 03:41 PM Re: Help with nervous/fearful rescue [Re: Natalya Zahn ] #284369 - 07/12/2010 03:41 PM
steve strom Webboard User Reg: 03-17-2006 Posts: 4203 Loc: Offline	Hey Natalya, our English Setter is, for the most part, completely indifferent to strangers. I get the idea that this dog has been pushed into what the owners want. Mainly a very social, everybody pets me dog. That can be as stressful as the alpha roll thing and may be why its surfacing now.
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steve strom wrote 07/12/2010 04:00 PM Re: Help with nervous/fearful rescue [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #284373 - 07/12/2010 04:00 PM
steve strom Webboard User Reg: 03-17-2006 Posts: 4203 Loc: Offline	Not that its real important, except I don't think he's pure English Setter. He looks to have something else in there. Our English Setter
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Tammy Moore wrote 07/12/2010 05:09 PM Re: Help with nervous/fearful rescue [Re: steve strom ] #284388 - 07/12/2010 05:09 PM
Tammy Moore Webboard User Reg: 01-14-2010 Posts: 1564 Loc: USA Offline	My brother has always had English Setters and Munsterlanders, another relative also has always had English Setters, all these dogs are trained field dogs. I will agree with others that he looks like a mix, the higher set ears, more of a block head. I have seen what you are describing as "nervy" in several of these dogs over the years. They were/are superb dogs in the field, but I wouldn't trust them around strangers!
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Natalya Zahn wrote 07/12/2010 05:09 PM Re: Help with nervous/fearful rescue [Re: steve strom ] #284389 - 07/12/2010 05:09 PM
Natalya Zahn Webboard User Reg: 12-22-2006 Posts: 1824 Loc: Cambridge, MA Offline	Beautiful dog, Steve. You guys may be right about him being mixed with something else (his face reminds me a bit of a Brittany)... he does come from an ES rescue though, so they must have thought he resembled one enough to qualify for their help. ~Natalya
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