 Re: Who is the person that workes with seizure dogs?
[Re: Jamie Craig ]
#287536 - 07/25/2010 06:39 PM |
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Re: Who is the person that workes with seizure dogs?
[Re: Jamie Craig ]
#287538 - 07/25/2010 06:47 PM |
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As I understand it....you can't train them to alert....know how to predict the seizure.
You can train them to indicate, yada yada, but not to know that the person is having the seizure...
Am I wrong?
I hope so.
Anyone know?
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Re: Who is the person that workes with seizure dogs?
[Re: Willie Tilton ]
#287540 - 07/25/2010 06:53 PM |
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I guess I'm confused on your question Willie.
Assistance dogs act after the seizure has happened or major symptoms have begun. This includes standing over the person, licking the face, fetching a phone, barking, hitting a speed dial button.
Alert dogs indicate on pre seizure symptoms. Chemical changes, eye twitches, etc.
Assistance can be trained, alert is something learned, anticipated, but isn't something reliable in most cases. When we checked into this option for my brother we were told we would have just as much luck with a handler focused shelter dog as a dog coming out of a program.
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Re: Who is the person that workes with seizure dogs?
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#287548 - 07/25/2010 07:16 PM |
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Thank you Melissa!!!!!!!
You helped me solidify my question!!!!!
Assistance can be trained, alert is something learned, anticipated, but isn't something reliable in most cases. When we checked into this option for my brother we were told we would have just as much luck with a handler focused shelter dog as a dog coming out of a program.
I have the whole Assistance thing covered.....
Its the "alert" as you put it...that I was wondering about.
Thank you...
So.....they told you that you were better off with a handler focused dog?
Can you give more details as to why?
I think it's just that hard to find a dog that alerts......
You said it could be learned?
Do you know anyplace that places alert dogs?
Thanks again!
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Re: Who is the person that workes with seizure dogs?
[Re: Willie Tilton ]
#287550 - 07/25/2010 07:25 PM |
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This is a fascinating thread, and I'm glad you started it, Willie.
Somewhat related was an incident my wife experienced with a teenage client a couple years ago. It was reported that the girl's golden retriever started focussing on a freckle on the girls leg. Kept licking at it constantly - after awhile just wouldn't let it alone. Yep - you guessed it - turned out to be the beginnings of a malignant melinoma. The dog could sense a change in the skin somehow. Even fooled the GP who needed to be 'persuaded' to send the girl to a skin specialist.
Unfortunately, you can't simulate or bottle symptoms of a seizure, hence the training challenge. It makes an awful lot of sense to me to start with a handler-sensitive, intuitive dog. I wonder whether "nose" could be a further screening factor? If so, one could perhaps narrow the field with scent tests...dunno -just thinking aloud.
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Re: Who is the person that workes with seizure dogs?
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#287552 - 07/25/2010 07:30 PM |
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Yes...I was wondering if specific changes occur in the blood...that are consistent tor the seizures....
that way you could scent train the dog.
Not to be ugly..but there are so many shady service dog programs out there..I hesitate to even ask one about it.....
I need to get over that and do it, but ya know?
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Re: Who is the person that workes with seizure dogs?
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#287554 - 07/25/2010 07:34 PM |
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Given that you cannot obtain the specific scent (or set of conditions preceding a seizure), I wonder whether even scent discrimination and alert training in general would be helpful with a dog? That way, he/she has a mode to respond when s/he detects a change in the owner????
Someone needs to do some systematic research on seizure alert dogs. Wonder who could sponsor it?
As far as shady folks - yikes - don't know what to say here - there are certainly lots of them.
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Re: Who is the person that workes with seizure dogs?
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#287556 - 07/25/2010 07:43 PM |
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One of the horses at Dream Catchers "alerted" a few years ago with a student who was prone to seizuers. During a lesson, with no outward indications from the rider, Jazz, simply planted all four hooves and would not budge. They tried for a few moments to get her to "walk on", but she literally planted herself. Since Jazz was one of our older "go to gals" and had been in the program for years, the instructor realized she might have a reason for doing so - either herself being injured/in pain or the student. She called for an emergency dismount and a few minutes after getting the rider safely off the horse, she had a very intense seizure.
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Re: Who is the person that workes with seizure dogs?
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#287558 - 07/25/2010 07:44 PM |
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I somehow missed half of the page one posts!!!!
thanks for all the input, I'm going to go check the links.
I agree, there needs to be some research....there are tons of people out there that have epilepsy and would benefit from a dog.
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Re: Who is the person that workes with seizure dogs?
[Re: Willie Tilton ]
#287562 - 07/25/2010 08:02 PM |
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I think reputable organizations are better equipped in training the service response dog, those dogs that respond after the seizure occurs. I doubt they can claim the same accuracy with a dog alerting prior. I do know the handler/dog relationship is very important, and trainers work with the handler to create a better bond, much is done with “look at me.” As for the whole pheromone detection, I tend to wonder.
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