 Re: Starting to train 'Heel'
[Re: steve strom ]
#289221 - 08/01/2010 06:00 AM |
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Yes, exactly...the breakdown of steps.
One thing I want to make sure of, is I don't want to give her a command for a particular step (ie, I'm not asking for a 'sit' or 'watch me' in the process of getting her position correct...)
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Re: Starting to train 'Heel'
[Re: Dave Ferguson ]
#289222 - 08/01/2010 06:03 AM |
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Because with out these qualities off lead your dog could be out of control with out you knowing it and attack another dog, a person, chase a rabbit ect ect. With things like a solid recall, or down in motion on lead, you will have a better foundation to start these things off lead. Otherwise you could be asking for trouble.
Hi Dave,
This is off-lead practice in my back yard. (Trust me, this dog will never be off-lead in an unsecure area)
Not ever planning on using it in a public area...
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Re: Starting to train 'Heel'
[Re: Lynne Barrows ]
#289223 - 08/01/2010 06:41 AM |
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Lynne,
The fence is perfect for helping the pup understand the position.
Start at the position, with the pup on the left in the proper spot , reward reward reward, do this till the pup keeps going there looking for his reward without you saying anything. Then take one step starting with your left leg, pup follows and sits while looking at you, reward reward reward. Extend as the dog progresses, When the pup truly understands it's a position you can introduce turns. Here's KC as a pup, he was about 4.5 months old in this video, he totally understands that it's a position, just like sit or down etc, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K-JGufWHYY&feature=channel ,
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Re: Starting to train 'Heel'
[Re: Al Curbow ]
#289229 - 08/01/2010 07:23 AM |
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Al, that clarifies things for me alot, thanks.
The video was thoroughly enjoyable. I love the built-in distraction training that the pup was getting. Great focus!
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Re: Starting to train 'Heel'
[Re: Dave Ferguson ]
#289249 - 08/01/2010 08:35 AM |
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Willie, I am happy you have found the perfect training style that everyone should use. I am happy it works for you.
But buddy, there is more then one way to skin a cat.
Dave, all I did was ask you some questions to clarify what your methods were.
I then stated what is not "My perfect training style" but standard modern training method as per Ed's videos.
I suppose I could be reading your post wrong, but the above quoted statement seems sarcastic, rude and out of line.
I would appreciate it if you would not speak to me that way again.
Willie
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Re: Starting to train 'Heel'
[Re: Al Curbow ]
#289251 - 08/01/2010 08:37 AM |
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Thank you AL great post.....
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Re: Starting to train 'Heel'
[Re: Lynne Barrows ]
#289283 - 08/01/2010 11:46 AM |
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It's ok to give both commands in the beginning Lynne, because you'll wean her off of them later just like the physical help.
If you say heel, and guide her in followed by look, you can reward for the look. At some point she'll anticipate that second command and give you a look automaticaly and like Al said, Reward,reward,reward.
The part you spend the most time on is the look. You don't add movement until she can tune out distractions in position and then you go slowly, 1-3 steps. There's a ME clip on here somewhere about reward placement that you should take a look at.
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Re: Starting to train 'Heel'
[Re: Dave Ferguson ]
#289287 - 08/01/2010 12:11 PM |
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I wouldnt get so defensive Dave. Nobody is challenging you. Your answer wasnt really relevant to Lynne's specific question and either way, she is not someone who asked for or deserves any crap out of you about what happened. There was no reason to bring that into this topic.
There are goig to be a lot of people that could benefit from your descriptions of heeling. It comes up all the time with "help, my dog pulls like a freight train".
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Re: Starting to train 'Heel'
[Re: steve strom ]
#289299 - 08/01/2010 01:13 PM |
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When Teddy was a puppy, I used treats to lure him. First practice was in the kitchen with a baby gate and later moved to the living room, then outside, then on the street, then to the park. All indoor and my backyard were done without leash, but at the park he was leashed.
I did kind of similar to what Barbara did with her dogs. The difference I didn't use the word "Nope" like she did. I only reward him when he does it correct with a clicker. If he messed up, no corrections and verbal were needed. I just let him figure out that he gets treats if he does it right. I signed something to him and then lure a treat. If he messed up, I gave no treats. Anyway, I would lure him a treat and show him the correct way.
Everyone seems to do it differently so whatever works for you and your dog.
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Re: Starting to train 'Heel'
[Re: steve strom ]
#289311 - 08/01/2010 01:52 PM |
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The part you spend the most time on is the look. You don't add movement until she can tune out distractions in position and then you go slowly, 1-3 steps. There's a ME clip on here somewhere about reward placement that you should take a look at.
Thanks, Steve. I'll keep working on the sit with focus, then 1-2 steps, sit and focus.
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