There is some concern with feeding both raw and kibble at the same time due to the difference in time it takes to digest the two. I think it is generally considered best to go cold turkey -stop the kibble and start the raw. Not trying to say that is the ONLY way but just what I've read is preferable.
Chicken backs are great to begin with but remove the skin and excess fat for the first week or so.
Cow tails and spare ribs are the only edible beef bones I've really managed to find.
I think we had a member who ran into some serious health trouble after feeding beef ribs to their dog... but I can't find the thread now.
And I agree with fasting the dog 24 hours before starting raw.
Gives the kibble a chance to clear, and makes sure the dog is hungry enough to investigate the strange, new food in its bowl.
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BTW, that phrase "feeding bones" may be where some confusion arises. We're feeding dead small animals or medium birds, such as fowl and rabbit, not feeding "bones" (just not removing the bones).
What the dog needs for calcium (addressing an earlier post from Jeremy) is the digestible bones that "come in" a chicken or a rabbit (or, if they were feeding themselves outside, rodents, etc.). Jeremy, I don't know why you have ground shells on your list. That would be a substitute for someone not able to feed RMBs -- meaning someone feeding a cooked or other boneless diet. You don't want to add calcium to an already-balanced diet. (Too much is not good, and too little is a disaster.)
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i agree. I didnt feed her anything raw tonight. besides the egg i added. Everything else was cooked.
I don't understand. You're not feeding cooked bones, right?
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Don't worry -- this is all really simple. All you need to do to start is stop feeding kibble, skip the next meal, and then start with a small meal of skinned chicken pieces, such as backs (globs of fat pulled off, just for the first meals). Then you watch the next poop before adding the skin back or adding any other ingredient (which for me is the fish oil and E first). Again, watch poop. Then another ingredient, and so on.
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And just so it's stated explicitly--since Jeremy is feeding some cooked things now---never feed your dog cooked bones. Raw chicken bones are soft and easy for your dog to digest. Cooked chicken bones (any cooked bones) are very dangerous.
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I have not fed any cooked bones. I know how they are dangerous with splintering. I will start introducing the raw diet later in the week. I will start with chicken backs, an do as stated above by connie. I should get the recommended calcium from feeding chicken with bones right?
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The ground shells is for my shitzu...haha....I will do boneless with her...Or i might not even go raw with her. I will leave that up to my wife. I doubt she will. But I do know that I want Meeka and my next dog to go raw. Sounds much more healthier for them and seems to make there growth a lot more steady and all around better
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The ground shells is for my shitzu...haha....I will do boneless with her...
Not a great plan unless you plan to weigh food in order to add the correct amount of calcium. The amount of calcium needed to supplement a boneless diet is nothing like the tiny amount in some multi-vit/min for dogs. It's 900 mg per pound. This requires weighing food, and measuring the calcium (for example, 1/2 tsp of ground shell would be required to make 900 mg., for a pound of boneless food).
I agree a thousand percent about the vast superiority of fresh raw food over crap-in-a-bag, but a raw diet without the right natural calcium:phosphorus (bone:meat) ratio is a nutritional disaster. Kibble is much much better.
Your wife would not like to give the small dog a raw diet? There are plenty of small dogs owned by forum members on raw diets. Some even use Cornish Game Hens for their RMBs.
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