Not sure that I am a fan of: 'the end justifies the means', especially in a case like this one.

Well, the local sheriff was being paid off by the dog fighters to look the other way, so what can you do? There was even rumors that the shooters were LEO's that went outside of the law to get the dog fighting ring closed down.

No one was hurt, and some criminal were brought into the light so that justice could be done. Most of the locals were pleased with the results, and I sure enjoyed reading about it.

That's a Rambeau 'prank' I can get behind.

I had no part in it ( as it was illegal and all ), but I remember it being reported and just having a good time at their expense.

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Not sure that I am a fan of: 'the end justifies the means', especially in a case like this one.

To clarify: My comment was in regard to the OPs original post & not Will's post about the shooting up of the dog fighters cars in NC.

Personally I don't think there is much gray area here but when it comes to things like this I tend to see them in black and white. What makes the officers any different then the criminals at this point? With all the surveillance technology we have at our disposal now I think there was a better way to apprehend these people. The dog didn't get to make a choice like an undercover officer does. Having said that though I'm not really a fan of police dogs being used to apprehend armed criminals if you want to use them to sniff out drugs or track a criminal ,they are a great tool I just feel they should not be put in harms way. It's our responsabilty as a pack leader to protect our dogs right? Why do we have to drag dogs into our stupid human behaviors, dogs don't commit crimes people do why do we expect them to enforce our laws? (I'm sure alot of people would disagree with me though)I just feel people should keep protection in the ring where everyone is having fun and the dogs are safe. Don't want to offend anyone just throwing in my 2 cents.

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Not sure that I am a fan of: 'the end justifies the means', especially in a case like this one.

To clarify: My comment was in regard to the OPs original post & not Will's post about the shooting up of the dog fighters cars in NC.

I don't know either, Anne. A writer on the BadRap (bully rescue) blog aptly described the whole situation as "loaded with ethical stomach upset"... and it is.

What's done is done, ultimately I AM glad sooo many dogs were saved), it's just truly a tough one to reconcile... and I totally agree with Katie on the meager jail time - the penalties should have been MUCH greater for such well researched crimes...

~Natalya

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 Quote: anne jones

 Quote: anne jones

Not sure that I am a fan of: 'the end justifies the means', especially in a case like this one.

To clarify: My comment was in regard to the OPs original post & not Will's post about the shooting up of the dog fighters cars in NC.

I don't know either, Anne. A writer on the BadRap (bully rescue) blog aptly described the whole situation as "loaded with ethical stomach upset"... and it is.

What's done is done, ultimately I AM glad sooo many dogs were saved), it's just truly a tough one to reconcile... and I totally agree with Katie on the meager jail time - the penalties should have been MUCH greater for such well researched crimes...

~Natalya

I think you summed it up perfectly.

As the wife of a retired LEO and someone who is deeply appreciative of all the gifts dogs have to offer...

I understand, but can't condone the dogs used in the drug war fights. The officers can say "I'm up for it" - the dogs are simply thrown into the pit with no protection / backup whatsoever.

Do I condone police K9s? Yes. Train the dog very well with every effort to protect (just like was done for the offier), put a bullet proof vest on him, just like you did the handler, and send them both in. At least the dog has the chance, as does the officer.

It might be splitting hairs, but would I expose a well trained K9 to what I was able / willing to expose my husband? Yes. IF one has to give their life - let it be the dog. Not the husband, father, son,... JMHO.

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It might be splitting hairs, but would I expose a well trained K9 to what I was able / willing to expose my husband? Yes. IF one has to give their life - let it be the dog. Not the husband, father, son,... JMHO.

I agree with you.

What I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around is, why does this situation (undercover dog fighting) feel like you've stepped into an ethical cesspool?

I imagine that the undercover cops were in a certain amount of danger, perhaps life threatening, if they had been discovered.

We send dogs into dangerous situations every day, as police K-9s and military war dogs. They are trained for their jobs, but you can also argue that these pitties were 'trained' for their 'job' also.

What it is about this situation that feels so wrong?