Re: loooking for two pups (4-6 months)
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Re: loooking for two pups (4-6 months)
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Re: loooking for two pups (4-6 months)
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How so? Tell me how you got started then.
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Re: loooking for two pups (4-6 months)
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Shaniqua can you please answer the previous question about what will happen to these two pups after the course is over?
Mostly just my curiosity.....
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Re: loooking for two pups (4-6 months)
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Shaniqua, Welcome to the forum. I don't think anyone is getting defensive... but a few red flags come up in your post - and you are seeing some of us respond to those.
What hit me is:
We need two dogs - any two dogs about 4 months old.
We're blowing our wad on the course and the gas, so we don't really have much to spend on the dogs. (You are JUST getting started spending money on these hypothetical dogs, btw...)
We're going to throw these two pups in a car and drive across country.
Two students. Generally speaking, students are not at a great point in life to commit to all that is needed to raise puppies. School, work, social life, etc... Some of us look at puppies as pretty close to a human infant in the level of attention required to do it right. Nothing negtive in the fact that the majority of students can't provide that at this point in life.
Dogs are a HUGE commitment. They are expensive. Puppies aren't probably thrilled about being thrown in a crate and being driven across country.
I could go on and on, and I swear, I don't mean any of this to mean. It just is not the right way to go about making a huge, expensive, life altering decision and commitment.
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Re: loooking for two pups (4-6 months)
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Shaniqua can you please answer the previous question about what will happen to these two pups after the course is over?
Mostly just my curiosity.....
They will stay with us of course. I'm not looking for a dog just to take through the course and then dump. The only reason I wanted a puppy instead of looking at a rescue or anything is because I'm new to this, and I'd rather train myself the way Michael Ellis is going to show me, rather than trying to fix the possible mistakes other people have made on a rescued dog- I don't think I'm quite ready to take on that.
I'm looking at opening up a kennel.
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Re: loooking for two pups (4-6 months)
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Shaniqua, Welcome to the forum. I don't think anyone is getting defensive... but a few red flags come up in your post - and you are seeing some of us respond to those.
What hit me is:
We need two dogs - any two dogs about 4 months old.
We're blowing our wad on the course and the gas, so we don't really have much to spend on the dogs. (You are JUST getting started spending money on these hypothetical dogs, btw...)
We're going to throw these two pups in a car and drive across country.
Two students. Generally speaking, students are not at a great point in life to commit to all that is needed to raise puppies. School, work, social life, etc... Some of us look at puppies as pretty close to a human infant in the level of attention required to do it right. Nothing negtive in the fact that the majority of students can't provide that at this point in life.
Dogs are a HUGE commitment. They are expensive. Puppies aren't probably thrilled about being thrown in a crate and being driven across country.
I could go on and on, and I swear, I don't mean any of this to mean. It just is not the right way to go about making a huge, expensive, life altering decision and commitment.
Okay, I get where you're coming from, I do. But if no one took a chance on someone soley based on age and experience where would we be in life now? No where. If I weren't a student, and I was older would you still have the same questions. Basically I'm just looking for someone to take a chance on me. This is my life's dream, and someday I hope to be saying "I've been doing this for 45 years now since i was blah blah blah", you know? and since some of you see this as "not the right way" could you please explain to me the right way to go about all of this? It's cool to tell me what I'm doing wrong, but just like in training your dogs you need to show me what is right. haha
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Re: loooking for two pups (4-6 months)
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Thanks for the answer - I wasn't trying to imply anything by asking it.
The thing is, if you just get any old two dogs, that you don't want to necessarily pay much for - how do you know what type of work ethic you are going to get? What if you just chose any two pups and you got dogs with no drive and temperament issues - have fun trying to learn while trying to teach a challenge dog. (not saying challenge dogs are bad, they are awesome teaching tools, once you know yourself how to go about training)
Also, is this a dog you would like to use in your kennel, or just a learning dog? Big difference in what you are looking for.
What if the dog is not the right match for you? Now you have this dog for 12-15 years that is either too high drive, not enough drive, too sharp, not stable enough...the list goes on. It happens everyday when ppl get a dog because it looks good or because it fit in their budget. Even within a breed, different lines bring different traits and temperaments...how do you choose which one fits you?
If it were me, I would not rush out and grab the only dog I could afford - I would either come up with the money to get the dog I wanted or I would contact a rescue near the course and see if there were any dogs in foster homes that could use a little training to help their adoption move along - even a breed rescue. Then at the end of the course, you have the knowledge and the time to look for the right dog for you. I'm sure a few phone calls and proof that you aren't a dog theif, and something could be arranged.
Just an idea I guess.
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Re: loooking for two pups (4-6 months)
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If I weren't a student, and I was older would you still have the same questions.
Yes. I just want to make sure you know that no one is asking you these questions because you're a student. There are a number of students here, myself included.
Personally, I would wait until you do have the funds. I don't think you should buy a dog based on age or price just to take a certain course. I know you're getting dogs to have with you for their entire lives, but it just sounds so sudden.
Dogs are expensive in themselves. And what I would do is save some money and get some of the DVDs on here, and/or find a good club to work with, and learn that way. Spend the chunk of money on the dog, not the course.
Trust me, you think about getting the dog, and then you don't realize the money it takes to feed it, to house it, for all the treats and toys to train and play with it, etc.
I'm not saying you're doing anything the wrong way, but from one student to another, I would wait on the course and focus on having the money to house and care for the dog properly.
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Re: loooking for two pups (4-6 months)
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Thanks for the answer - I wasn't trying to imply anything by asking it.
The thing is, if you just get any old two dogs, that you don't want to necessarily pay much for - how do you know what type of work ethic you are going to get? What if you just chose any two pups and you got dogs with no drive and temperament issues - have fun trying to learn while trying to teach a challenge dog. (not saying challenge dogs are bad, they are awesome teaching tools, once you know yourself how to go about training)
Also, is this a dog you would like to use in your kennel, or just a learning dog? Big difference in what you are looking for.
What if the dog is not the right match for you? Now you have this dog for 12-15 years that is either too high drive, not enough drive, too sharp, not stable enough...the list goes on. It happens everyday when ppl get a dog because it looks good or because it fit in their budget. Even within a breed, different lines bring different traits and temperaments...how do you choose which one fits you?
If it were me, I would not rush out and grab the only dog I could afford - I would either come up with the money to get the dog I wanted or I would contact a rescue near the course and see if there were any dogs in foster homes that could use a little training to help their adoption move along - even a breed rescue. Then at the end of the course, you have the knowledge and the time to look for the right dog for you. I'm sure a few phone calls and proof that you aren't a dog theif, and something could be arranged.
Just an idea I guess.
Alright, that's not to say I don't have the money for the dog- you read too much into that. I'm not looking for a cheap $300 puppy, I just look at a lot of these breeders and I don't have $3000 to spend on a puppy- especially since I am new to this and don't know exactly what I need, anyone could just rip me off. This dog will probably stay in the home with me, and will not be used for my kennel until I know exactly what I want for my kennel.
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