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The negative side to thrashing is that 90% of the time the dog backs out of the bite somewhat as he thrashes, so yes you lose points if that happens, and since the thrashing usually comes as the helper freezes up and the handler is commanding the out, the dog is always late in releasing.
Whining or growling on the bite can often be eliminated if you refuse to allow him to win while he is doing it. Usually that means you have to relieve pressure until the dog feels comfortable, then let him win. If the helper is really consistent about it and never allows whining/growling to be successful, it will fade out a lot of times, but as long as it is part of the behavior that the dog associates with winning, it will persist.
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Re: puppy bite imprinting
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#375 - 07/30/2002 11:29 AM |
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I would not want to reduce any drives for sure. One thing that I have seen. My reward for the dog is the prey item. Sit, animate prey item(throw it at ground or as in fetch), down, reward. But the better reward for the dog is when we play tug. For him he wants the prey item, but what he likes more is the tug/biting part. (Fetch) is ok but he wants to try to get the item by biting.
Example: command sit, throw item, come,he brings it back, play tug/bite, let him win. After he gets through playing with item, he drops it, and we start all over.
I have found that rewarding with the prey item is better than food, praise. Much faster response to commands. But when we do this, when he has to sit, it is like a rocket sitting there waiting to take off. He and I really enjoy this work.
Thanks, Richard
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#376 - 07/30/2002 11:45 AM |
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If you have not seen the Building Drive, Focus and Grip tape with Bernhard Flinks, and want to use prey drive as a way to teach your pup OB, I highly recommend it.
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#377 - 07/30/2002 01:45 PM |
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I am reading SchH: Theory and Training by Susan Barwig now. Really good stuff. I will check out the video. Thanks. 
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#378 - 07/30/2002 01:59 PM |
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Yeah, the books are good, but sometimes it is easier to see it live rather than imagine it..
He has also incorperated so much of bitework for later that the dogs do amazingly well when raised this way.
For example, my dog had learned the calm carry and firm grip long before he ever hit a sleeve, so to others he looks like this awesome dog, when in all reality, he just had a good heads up on the protection work from the OB I had been doing with him....
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How old is your puppy Ricky? If its like 5 months or something around that age I would go ahead and start carrying the object. The dog usally wont thrash if your moving fast enough on the carry. Dont choke the dog out though by trying to carry the item real fast but a brisk walk usally does the trick. But if the puppy is younger then that I wouldnt let him win the object until he was nice and calm and counters. Talk to the pup in a calm voice and not hissing or anything like that.You would be surprised how much voice influx matters in the way the dog reacts to stuff. Hope this helps.
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#380 - 07/30/2002 02:31 PM |
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He is now 6.5 months. I have always talked to him when working, telling him how strong, big and good he is. Seems to build confidence(??). I do this when we walk also, keeps him focused on me. I think the thrashing came about because he did win the item by doing this, until I caught him trying it all the time. He uses his feet also when he can. Now he is jumping for the item more also. Thanks all.
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Sounds like you have a really nice dog in the works Rickey! Keep up the good work, I also agree the Flinks video will be an outstanding addition to your training efforts, I used it with my pup and it has done wonders for his focus, bite and Obd. Best of luck to you! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Thank you. I have learned so much from Ed's articles, tapes and the listers here. I am going to get Flink's tape next. Thanks all.
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#383 - 07/31/2002 01:07 PM |
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Should I allow my pup to bite me goes down in books with others such as can a house dog do top sport or police work. Everyone has his or her take on it. I allow this, but others with far more experience than me do not. In fact my next pup will be my first that I will not allow to chew on me. I will finally give in and try this approach. Here is a little snip it from Kevin when asked about Otis pups:
“I have made a habit with these critters to first, develope some taboos that i don't recomend with some other lines. The first one is biting me is off limits, and the second one is biting other dogs is off limits. The first day these show up when the dog is trying to unload in one of these ways his/her world caves in."
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