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[Re: Ross Rapoport ]
#303869 - 11/20/2010 10:51 PM |
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I had a neighbor threaten to kill me 3 different times after I chastised him for letting his dog off its leash (no warning or asking permission) when he was about ten feet from Roger and I.
It feels good to mention the leash laws with a scowl, but this guy got totally crazed when he realized he wasn't in control of the situation...and if he'd had a weapon I'm pretty sure he would have drawn it.
Feels good to be right, but...
Where I live, that would be the end of that neighbor, and I'm not kidding at all.
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Re: Aggravated!
[Re: Michael Pugsley ]
#303870 - 11/20/2010 11:29 PM |
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Anyone know the laws on this? I'm in Canada so it's likely a little bit different for me. But I'm wondering since I had a similar encounter recently. Just training my older dog and out of nowhere I see this large dog barreling towards us. The owners are at least 100 yards away and the dog doesn't respond when I point and say 'GET!' so I boot it in the head. Still goes right for my dog so I kick it again harder and then it runs away. The owner comes towards me after this as if he's going to fight me so I just say 'You're in the wrong, the law says you need a leash, so just walk away.' He keeps coming towards me and asks why I kicked his dog so I tell him 'You're dog was coming at me in an aggressive manner and growled'. So he responds, 'he doesn't growl he grumbles'. Trying not to laugh at the guy I just tell him 'You're in the wrong, just be glad there's no vet bills for you to pay. Train your dog and get a leash. Now walk away' And that was the end of it.
Another time there was a small festival going on at one of the parks. And anyone there with dogs knew enough to have their dog on leash. Except for one guy. I'm walking with my girlfriend and my 6 month old puppy. And this guy and his wife ask us what the festival is all about. They seem rude from the start, and didn't even respond when we told them what the festival was. They're about a hundred feet away and their dog starts coming towards us. They keep walking and their dog decides to start circling us, so I turn back and ask them to get their dog. He just says 'Why, she's just trying to play' I say 'there are signs to leash your dogs and I never asked for the dogs to play'. Then of course he tells me I need to control my dog, which is hilarious since my guy's a puppy and on a leash. We start arguing after he calls me an idiot and finally when he comes to get his dog he whacks me on the leg with a dog toy. So I shove the guy, but was lucky my girlfriend convinced me not to fight the guy. I was really glad it didn't escalate into a full fight cause the guy was clearly an idiot. And not getting into any legal trouble allowed me to laugh about it a fair bit.
Now I'm sure to tell people to keep their distance as well if I think there's any possibility of doggie arguments. Some pet owners are really stupid.
I don't know where you are in Canada, but I used to live in Toronto.
I had my dog on a long leash at Cherry beach, which is sort of a dog park. He was about a year old, husky mix. Another young husky mix ran over to us (off leash obviously), and started to play a bit with my dog. I saw the owner walking over, and they play seemed alright, so I let go of the leash. The dogs were both young, goofy wrestling, vocal-type dogs. The owner makes her way over, but instead of a nod or smile, she starts yelling at me that my dog is "killing" her dog.
Had this happened today, I would have just grabbed my dog, and walked away. But, it was a while ago, and I was not quite so jaded. I stood my ground stated my case, but she was totally unreasonable. As this is going on, a man and 2 young kids walk over, who turn out to be her family. At this point she is actually screaming and cursing at me, as I am gathering my dog and walking away from her. As I am trying to get away, her dog is still trying to play (aka "be killed") by my dog. She runs up, kicks my dog and says she'll kill me and my dog if she ever sees me again.
I told her that she was setting an excellent example for her kids, and walked away, and the boy, you couldn't have been more than 7, said to me "I don't care, I say F*%K all the time!"
By this point we are back at the parking lot, her family is getting into their van, and I had stopped to talk to a friend. All of a sudden I see the woman get out of the van, and start quickly towards me. Her husband jumps out, grabs her, and pulls her back to the van.
I know that was a long story, but to answer your question - I called the police, and in Ontario, they won't do anything if you assault a dog. They were only willing to charge her with death threats.
In BC, I have heard it's a bit different, and that either you can be charged with simple assault (as opposed to torture or abuse) or an animal, or they are changing it soon so that it will be that way.
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Re: Aggravated!
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#303874 - 11/21/2010 07:53 AM |
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She runs up, kicks my dog and says she'll kill me and my dog if she ever sees me again.
Kicking my dog would be a very big mistake.
Lori
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Re: Aggravated!
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#303883 - 11/21/2010 09:43 AM |
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It is especially aggravating when someone lets their dog off the leash at the park when they see Maggie and then call out "can they play?" (this has happened more times than I can count, what if I said no?) I make Maggie sit (she's still on the leash of course), and she actually does sit, now!!!! The disappointed owner usually then says that their dog is friendly. I say, "so is mine, but she has to stay on the leash."
THEN the other dog is usually called. Several times. Ignores owner. Embarrassed owner comes gets the dog and chats a bit longer. Maggie sitting the whole time - and she REALLY wants to play, too (but with me) and she is waiting for social hour to end. I am proud of her. Luckily, at our park, the other dogs really are friendly, when they see her sitting they usually just come in for a sniff and don't charge us. They just don't have recall, I guess.
The only time Maggie goes nuts and acts like a crazy girl is when we walk by dogs that charge a fence. I am still working on ignoring those dogs...
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Re: Aggravated!
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#303884 - 11/21/2010 09:45 AM |
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Anyone know the laws on this?
Not sure where in Canada you are but Section 444 – 447 of our Criminal Code deals with all forms of cruelty to animals. Specifically:
CRUELTY TO ANIMALS
Causing unnecessary suffering
445.1 (1) Every one commits an offence who
(a) wilfully causes or, being the owner, wilfully permits to be caused unnecessary pain, suffering or injury to an animal or a bird;
People are getting charged more and more. It’s seems to be more of a public outcry for conviction rather than specific laws saying that “you do that and this will happen”. Evidence is always big so if you want to charge someone be sure to take notes and get witnesses.
As well, people aren’t always charged with the legislation that relates specifically to the animal. Special Provincial Constables generally have this authority granted through the higher administering bodies of the SPCA. When we call in the regular police, folks are getting charged under different sections, as in your case, perhaps uttering threats. They also get charged with things like illegal discharge of a firearm or they get more specific, throwing cat against TV, hitting dog with hammer, etc., as opposed to the blanket charge of assault.
What I find interesting in this particular piece of legislation is “being the owner, willfully permits”. To me this says WE commit an offense if we DO NOT protect our dogs with every effort possible - that sounds pretty wide open to me. I know what my defense would be, should someone think I used unreasonable measures to protect my dog.
If you are at all concerned that someone’s actions may not have been legal, I would contact the authorities and check it out. Public opinion is swaying potential charges every day and the laws seem to be quickly changing in favor of the rights of the animals in our care.
And Lori, good on you. You didn’t make it easy for that bully to get satisfaction.
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Re: Aggravated!
[Re: Lori Jacobs ]
#303885 - 11/21/2010 09:46 AM |
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Lori, this as happened to me and Chico more than I wish to count. You did right by your Dog, your Son and Yourself, who knows how that situation would of turn out, if not for your actions. Dan
A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than you love yourself. ~Josh Billings
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Re: Aggravated!
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#304218 - 11/23/2010 03:20 PM |
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a question to police officers, is it a waste of your resources for a person to call and report off leash dogs potentially causing problems with an on leash dog. police are stretched everywhere is this a police /legal matter at all or a waste of time when police could be doing more important things? should responsible dog walkers be getting video evidence to support their complaints? can kicking another persons dog attacking your own get you arrested?
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Re: Aggravated!
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#304219 - 11/23/2010 03:25 PM |
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Personally, I would threats to my safety a police matter.
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Re: Aggravated!
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#304230 - 11/23/2010 03:57 PM |
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Kicking (or towarting by other means) another persons dog, even if they are in the wrong, one best be prepared for more to come. Either by the owner themselves or by the authorities.
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Re: Aggravated!
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#304483 - 11/25/2010 05:24 AM |
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In Pennsylvania if a dog is attacking a person or game such as deer you can legally eliminate the threat.
I am responsible for the safety of my dog and as long as he is under my control NOBODY touches him. "If" my dog got loose and then somebody felt threatened I wouldn't have an issue with them defending them self.
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