 Re: Prey drive question
[Re: Pat Hawk ]
#306275 - 12/09/2010 10:07 AM |
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You just need to reinforce the position with some rewards. Basically you feed her while she's still sitting before releasing her. Start with just a few seconds and slowly add to the time. There's some free video here covering it. I think its termed adding duration.
You can use self serving in your training. She'll figure out its in her self interest to work with you.
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Re: Prey drive question
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#306277 - 12/09/2010 10:11 AM |
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Can you get either those or the flying squirrels to be kind of a slow, low toss?...I've never been able to get a Frizbee do what I'd like.
The flying squirrels can be tossed low and still fly pretty well. It's my dog's favorite toy. I like it because I can tug with it, too.
The disadvantage to flying toys is that if you are working with a dog that has low drive or is not bonded well to you, the reward becomaes the chasing of the toy, and does not tie back into you very well. The flying squirrel is better than most flying toys because you can tug with it, too. If you can build up the dog's desire to tug, I think it's a good, dual purpose toy.
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Re: Prey drive question
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#306283 - 12/09/2010 10:19 AM |
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And don't discount her food drive. Try to time your training sessions to when she's hungry, and keep them very short. (like 5 minutes per session) Use really good treats (real food) and change them up frequently. I like to mix up a bag of treats so that my dog doesn't know what she'll be getting as a reward. I think it may help in keeping her motivated.
If you haven't taught a 'watch me' command, get that one started. For me, it's one of the most important commands my dog knows. It gets the dog looking at your eyes/face, and helps to keep the dog engaged with you.
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Re: Prey drive question
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#306286 - 12/09/2010 11:10 AM |
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Those whirl toys squeak?
Can you get either those or the flying squirrels to be kind of a slow, low toss?...I've never been able to get a Frizbee do what I'd like. Yes the whirl toys squeak.
The flying squirrels can be tossed low and still fly pretty well. It's my dog's favorite toy. I like it because I can tug with it, too.
The disadvantage to flying toys is that if you are working with a dog that has low drive or is not bonded well to you, the reward becomaes the chasing of the toy, and does not tie back into you very well. The flying squirrel is better than most flying toys because you can tug with it, too. If you can build up the dog's desire to tug, I think it's a good, dual purpose toy.
She is 100% correct that this is a dual purpose toy. If you want to get your dog tugging and going after things this would be the toy. With some work of course to build the drive. I think both the Tug and the Food Drive DVD's would benefit you tremendously here.
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#306287 - 12/09/2010 11:11 AM |
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And don't discount her food drive. Try to time your training sessions to when she's hungry, and keep them very short. (like 5 minutes per session) Use really good treats (real food) and change them up frequently. I like to mix up a bag of treats so that my dog doesn't know what she'll be getting as a reward. I think it may help in keeping her motivated.
If you haven't taught a 'watch me' command, get that one started. For me, it's one of the most important commands my dog knows. It gets the dog looking at your eyes/face, and helps to keep the dog engaged with you.
Have I ever mentioned I LOVE having a super smart neighbor  . You are always spot on .
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Re: Prey drive question
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#306331 - 12/09/2010 01:48 PM |
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Some good ideas. Thanks.
Will look for the video.
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#306340 - 12/09/2010 02:12 PM |
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Good info on the flying squirrels in relationship to drive.
I guess what I was asking is if a dog with low/no ball drive but extremely high flying object/insect drive be considered to have drive? This dog spends hours chasing butterflies, flying bugs and moving shadows.
Steve did answer and as I understand, bug chasing counts as drive.
So far I've been able to interest her in a tug on a rope for a few minutes at a time, but she really doesn't grab into it. She will grip harder on a stuff toy but for shorter time than she does on the tug.
She will do the "watch me" and watches my face most all the time even when not training. She is different than any dog I've ever had and in some ways like a Siamese Cat.
She does respond to food big time. If I make a fuss over an object (toy, whatever), prance it around and covet it, she will get really focused wanting it, so I guess that is good she has interest.
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Re: Prey drive question
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#306345 - 12/09/2010 02:26 PM |
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I guess what I was asking is if a dog with low/no ball drive but extremely high flying object/insect drive be considered to have drive? This dog spends hours chasing butterflies, flying bugs and moving shadows.
From what you have just described, this sounds more like a compulsive thing than 'drive'. (burning off excess energy/too much time to entertain herself, as Steve mentioned)
What sort of exercise is she getting every day? If you are not able to walk her sufficiently, get yourself a prong collar so that she doesn't pull your arm off. (I know you did not specifcally ask about walking, but a dog who chases bugs for hours at a time has too much unstructured time on her paws, IMO )
Chasing a bit of fur on a whip indicates that she does have some prey drive. Some dogs just don't like balls much.
Use what you've got; if she works well for food, tap into that. The Michael Ellis DVD Building Drive with Food is very good, and might be a good place for you to start if you are familiar with marker training.
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#306387 - 12/09/2010 04:49 PM |
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I have a a fully fenced farm so she has acres to run and run she does...sometimes runs with her nose to the ground tracking animals. She and another bitch play together also.
I take daily walks in the back acreage and the dogs go with me, so there should be plenty of exercise. No matter how much time I spend with her, she still chases bugs.
I don't have a full time job for her. Back West, she would have worked with sheep and cows daily and maybe done fine.
Due to her being in season (a 5 week hold}, we had dropped out of going to a lady's house for agility...not that I'm into agility, but the idea was to give her something whatever.
After she is spayed, she'll get a carting harness and start getting used to pulling lightweight objects
I am happy to hear other dogs don't like balls all that much either.
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